Deadstroke Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Zay will outplay, Watkins will look elsewhere for pay. I think you may forget just how good he is when healthy; like 900 yds in the last 9 games of 2015! The guy is absolutely dynamic when healthy. He's taking it easy now so we hope it translates out to him being in top playing shape.. With that, the top caliber production is a done deal. Edited May 20, 2017 by Deadstroke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwalter Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 people forget that he was just 20 when he was drafted. he'll be 24 this season - people grow up a lot in their early 20s, especially when they have a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Ok ex-BBMB'er.... Watch it yourself.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw85u5Q8NM0 Sammy had a pretty good outing that day, -And I'm no Sammy Loyalist... Start at about 2:17 of OT and go to about 2:26... Then preach your b#llsh*t about Sammy needing a new mindset... After that go from about 2:28 of OT to right about 2:30.58 where Clay converts a nice 3rd and 8... If you watch the rest, Sammy has 3 defendders bearing down on him... Only a moron doesn't skip out of bounds at that point.... Oh look!.. -Another low, poorly thrown ball at around 2:32 from Tyrod... -Batted by Suh.... Guess that was Sammy's fault too... Lord, I wish BBMB would start back up... I personally have no problem with Sammy not trying to hammer defenders to gain an extra yard.....was he going to score a touchdown on that play? We needed him for the NEXT play. By the way....all qbs throw poorly thrown balls....which is exactly why wr's like Sammy are so needed. Playmakers make plays when the ball is anywhere near them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 62 catches. 943 yards. 6 tds. Then the unreadable "keep him or not" debate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) That's exactly what happened!! Do you actually watch these games?? When the game matter the most, he quit. At 4:16 in OT he steps out of bounds to avoid a hit instead of fighting for every foot. I don't care how many yards he had, TT had lead the Bills offense to 581 yards until that point, it obviously wasn't enough to win. But the difference between TT and your precious Sammy, is that TT never quits!!! Sammy has all the talent in the world, but no heart. You are simply wrong man. He had 3 defenders in front of him. Ok ex-BBMB'er.... Watch it yourself.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw85u5Q8NM0 Sammy had a pretty good outing that day, -And I'm no Sammy Loyalist... Start at about 2:17 of OT and go to about 2:26... Then preach your b#llsh*t about Sammy needing a new mindset... After that go from about 2:28 of OT to right about 2:30.58 where Clay converts a nice 3rd and 8... If you watch the rest, Sammy has 3 defendders bearing down on him... Only a moron doesn't skip out of bounds at that point.... Oh look!.. -Another low, poorly thrown ball at around 2:32 from Tyrod... -Batted by Suh.... Guess that was Sammy's fault too... Lord, I wish BBMB would start back up... Thank you for the link, I was looking for it but did not expect to find a full game video. Does the NFL put all previous games on YouTube for free now or something? Or is that not even really the NFL posting those? Edited May 20, 2017 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) You are simply wrong man. He had 3 defenders in front of him. Thank you for the link, I was looking for it but did not expect to find a full game video. Does the NFL put all previous games on YouTube for free now or something? Or is that not even really the NFL posting those? IDIOTIC! -I guess they wanted Sammy dead out there, trying to take on 3 Linebackers ! He did the RIGHT, and I might add, PROFESSIONAL thing... Like I said, I question Sammy's foot, NOT his skill level... If the guy had a series of bad drops I'd say "Ok, time for Sammy to get his mind right"... But to be honest, I can't remember the last time Sammy dropped one... Get him healthy, -put him in a n offense that plays to his strengths, and then stand back. Two things dumb assss! Take a look at 4:16 left in overtime. Only a self serving primadonna steps out of bounds in that situation. No Patriot would step out of bounds under the same circumstances, or they would be looking for another job. The game often comes down to inches, he could have easily dove forward and gained a couple yards without getting hit hard. Other receivers do it all the time. Again, he did not have a first down, and it was overtime. And another thing smart asss. Take a look how long i have been here, you stupid !@#$!!!I I have never been to BBMB Who are you, Sammy's agent??? Stuck on stupid... Kicker misses an easy FG that would've sealed it, and this genius blames Sammy for not killing himself.... Proof that home-schooling isn't always a good Idea.. Edited May 20, 2017 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Not only can you get yourself killed, maybe even worse is when they struggle against insurmountable odds for an extra 6 inches......and the ball comes out. Defenses love that stuff! I can't tell you how often I have yelled "GET DOWN!!!" When a guy keeps fighting. I'm all for the safe yards, but sometimes the situation needs to dictate actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Not only can you get yourself killed, maybe even worse is when they struggle against insurmountable odds for an extra 6 inches......and the ball comes out. Defenses love that stuff! I can't tell you how often I have yelled "GET DOWN!!!" When a guy keeps fighting. I'm all for the safe yards, but sometimes the situation needs to dictate actions. Also, I'm sure Sammy was gauging the defenders speed to possibly step out of bounds JUST as he was being hit.... -That's a free 15 yards... Smart, professional, -case closed. I think you may forget just how good he is when healthy; like 900 yds in the last 9 games of 2015! The guy is absolutely dynamic when healthy. He's taking it easy now so we hope it translates out to him being in top playing shape.. With that, the top caliber production is a done deal. Sammy has hands for days, and runs a MEAN route... Can't imagine what a SURGEON like Rodgers would do with a healthy #14 plus Cobb, and Nelson... The thought alone is terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I personally have no problem with Sammy not trying to hammer defenders to gain an extra yard.....was he going to score a touchdown on that play? We needed him for the NEXT play. By the way....all qbs throw poorly thrown balls....which is exactly why wr's like Sammy are so needed. Playmakers make plays when the ball is anywhere near them. Sammy can flat out truck defenders. Just ask Ryan Shazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Sammy can flat out truck defenders. Just ask Ryan Shazier. I agree, not that I think you disagree, but just in this scenario he has one guy lining him up practically ready to launch at him, another guy about to wrap him up, and a 3rd guy to do a punishing 3rd hit if he is still up - all that for minimal gain is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I was just checking out the miserable OT playcalling in this game... Honestly, who treats hometown fans this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 Sammy can flat out truck defenders. Just ask Ryan Shazier. I hope one day when we're referencing Sammy's toughness, it won't be a play from 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 I'm glad Tyrod thinks the kid is coming into his own as a professional. I hope Sammy and the Bills can hit the reset button and feel each other out this season. Both sides in this equation have a lot of trust to build, Sammy has to show he can stay on the field and dominate for an entire year and the Bills have to prove they are now being run in a professional/competent manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Sammy can flat out truck defenders. Just ask Ryan Shazier. Is the same defender he trucked in college but messed up his ribs his rookie year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) You are simply wrong man. He had 3 defenders in front of him. Thank you for the link, I was looking for it but did not expect to find a full game video. Does the NFL put all previous games on YouTube for free now or something? Or is that not even really the NFL posting those? Thanks for proving my point. Again, this was overtime, in a must win game to have a chance to end the playoff drought, and your princess Sammy comes up small on a play that the team needed more from him. I pay to watch the NFL, not flag football. I expected him to lower his head and fight for the first down. Anything less, and I feel robed as a customer. This type of play is exactly why the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in the last 17 years. I hope Coach McD can change the "me first" mentality of some of the players. I hope Sammy is more mature and becomes a team player and has a pro bowl season. But as I sat there watching this game, and seen this lack of effort from probably the most talented player on the team, I knew the season was over. If one of your most talented players is not willing to sacrifice himself for the team, then how can you expect anyone else to. Some of you are allow your man crush on Sammy to cloud your judgment. Edited May 21, 2017 by OldNMBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 drafted at 20 years old..he's matured +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Sammy just needs to play well. Naturally there are other factors such as QB play, but ultimately he needs to stay healthy. I'm not certain that maturity has much to do with being an elite receiver. Does anyone remember Randy Moss or Terrell Owens? You don't need the same kind of leadership you expect from a QB. Recievers can be immature idiots and still play dominant football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 (edited) I'll add to what others have said His health trumps any maturity issues. Edited May 21, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 Thanks for proving my point. Again, this was overtime, in a must win game to have a chance to end the playoff drought, and your princess Sammy comes up small on a play that the team needed more from him. I pay to watch the NFL, not flag football. I expected him to lower his head and fight for the first down. Anything less, and I feel robed as a customer. This type of play is exactly why the Bills haven't been to the playoffs in the last 17 years. I hope Coach McD can change the "me first" mentality of some of the players. I hope Sammy is more mature and becomes a team player and has a pro bowl season. But as I sat there watching this game, and seen this lack of effort from probably the most talented player on the team, I knew the season was over. If one of your most talented players is not willing to sacrifice himself for the team, then how can you expect anyone else to. Some of you are allow your man crush on Sammy to cloud your judgment. You're argument is in ruins... Watch at 2:18.39 as the TT QB-keeper goes nowhere.. at 2:19.21 Sammy scoops an uncatchable ball off the turf for a SOLID gain to the 17 yard line....At 2:21.42 there's a stupid end-around to bush taking us out of the RZ, setting up Carpenter to miss his 2nd field goal of the day... -ALL SAMMY'S FAULT! You are a fountain of absurdities, my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 You're argument is in ruins... Watch at 2:18.39 as the TT QB-keeper goes nowhere.. at 2:19.21 Sammy scoops an uncatchable ball off the turf for a SOLID gain to the 17 yard line....At 2:21.42 there's a stupid end-around to bush taking us out of the RZ, setting up Carpenter to miss his 2nd field goal of the day... -ALL SAMMY'S FAULT! You are a fountain of absurdities, my man. What don't you get? I am talking about the Bills last possession of the game. At 4:16 in OT. Everything else you describe is exactly what he gets paid for. And I have complained plenty about Carpenter and his 4 of 9 from 40-49 yards. But this thread is about Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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