ExiledInIllinois Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Its an epidemic... Happening on west coast now... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4374280/Man-shot-dead-broke-home-took-shower.html Hammersticks, pay close attention on what not to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 A bit more info in NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/homeowner-shoots-intruder.html?_r=0 Washington law specifies that “no person in the state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property.” The state also maintains that when citizens are assaulted in a place where they have a right to be, that they have no duty to retreat. It is the state’s version of what are commonly known as “Stand Your Ground” laws, though Washington’s self-defense law dates back much farther than other versions. it is interesting with law like this they determined it was not "reasonable" - law seems to be worded to favor owner very, very heavily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 A bit more info in NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/homeowner-shoots-intruder.html?_r=0 it is interesting with law like this they determined it was not "reasonable" - law seems to be worded to favor owner very, very heavily. I think he got in argument, left, got weapon, came back and pumped lead into him through the shower curtain. It was a house he wasn't living in and found the guy getting his shower on while making a property check??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Yes property is next door and he saw a broken door. Surprised he did not get gun before entering property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 A bit more info in NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/us/homeowner-shoots-intruder.html?_r=0 it is interesting with law like this they determined it was not "reasonable" - law seems to be worded to favor owner very, very heavily. As it should be. Maybe the guy didn't need to shoot him, but there is no possible defense for breaking into someone's house and if you elect to do that, you have made the decision to take whatever comes with that territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Racist Trump supporter uses military-style death gun to murder clothing-optional plumber attempting water-pressure check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Racist Trump supporter uses military-style death gun to murder clothing-optional plumber attempting water-pressure check.maga! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So guy in shower is confronted by homeowner. The two yell at each other. Homeowner gets gun from home next door and returns. Homeowner then shoots the guy taking shower. Why didn't the guy taking a shower get the heck out of there?!!? Applying conditioner?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So guy in shower is confronted by homeowner. The two yell at each other. Homeowner gets gun from home next door and returns. Homeowner then shoots the guy taking shower. Why didn't the guy taking a shower get the heck out of there?!!? Applying conditioner?? Heroin is a hell of a drug... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 So guy in shower is confronted by homeowner. The two yell at each other. Homeowner gets gun from home next door and returns. Homeowner then shoots the guy taking shower. Why didn't the guy taking a shower get the heck out of there?!!? Applying conditioner?? Thats the first thing I thought of, too. Even if the guy sprinted next door, grabbed the gun and sprinted back, thats enough time for the shower guy to at least pull the shower curtain open and get outta there. Of course, a 31yr old elementary school teachers aide probably isnt the brightest bulb. Also, a skinny neo-hippy with a long beard covered in tattoos screams of drugs. Either way, 2nd degree sounds right. Voluntary/involuntary manslaughter would be saying that he meant to hurt but not kill. 2nd degree is for when they say he was 'blinded by rage' or couldnt think clearly due to the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Hammersticks, how is your shower buddy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Of course, a 31yr old elementary school teachers aide probably isnt the brightest bulb. Also, a skinny neo-hippy with a long beard covered in tattoos screams of drugs. and/or entitlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Hammersticks, how is your shower buddy ? Sadly, he is deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Sadly, he is deceased. Wow... Really. :-( WTF... Such a sad epidemic of addiction. So sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Wow... Really. :-( WTF... Such a sad epidemic of addiction. So sorry. Yeah, I believe he was in his mid-20's. He was taken away in an ambulance a few times while he was living across the street. I'm assuming for heroin OD. He finally lost the battle. Sad stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 As it should be. Maybe the guy didn't need to shoot him, but there is no possible defense for breaking into someone's house and if you elect to do that, you have made the decision to take whatever comes with that territory. Agree 100% And maybe he chose a gun over a (baseball bat/crowbar/9 iron) because he didn't want to get sued by the shower freak after he beat the living **** out of him with a bat. Really this is just nature's way of weeding idiots out of the gene pool. Would have been a better story if shower freak had been a lawyer who was high on peyote or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 That guy might want to put his houses on the market because odds are it'll be a long time before he gets to enjoy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 That guy might want to put his houses on the market because odds are it'll be a long time before he gets to enjoy them. Probably not. If they convict him, I wouldnt expect a harsh sentence. Probably some jail time and alot of house arrest/probation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 6, 2017 Author Share Posted April 6, 2017 Probably not. If they convict him, I wouldnt expect a harsh sentence. Probably some jail time and alot of house arrest/probation. We shall see. The guy retreated to safety, came back and shot through the curtain. He may get the book. It's property that is being violated, not a person. He retreated, his safety was never an issue. I like to know more about this. Was there a gentleman's agreement where he allowed this before? Did he just kill the only witness to the agreement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 We shall see. The guy retreated to safety, came back and shot through the curtain. He may get the book. It's property that is being violated, not a person. He retreated, his safety was never an issue. I like to know more about this. Was there a gentleman's agreement where he allowed this before? Did he just kill the only witness to the agreement? A gentleman's agreement that included breaking into the property? There was damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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