Figster Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 And all QBs have bad tape "on the cutting room floor"....very FEW, if any, have highlight reels like TT. Taylor was playing with a groin injury through most of the 2016 season. When healthy T T is a different QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Don't defame my boy Dominique Wilkins like that. Shame. There is something we can agree on. Loved watching Dominique Wilkins play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 There is something we can agree on. Loved watching Dominique Wilkins play. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Taylor was playing with a groin injury through most of the 2016 season. When healthy T T is a different QB... What dies a healthy groin have to do with his ability to see an open WR or throw the ball in anticipation? I'm not saying TT wasn't slowed down by it, just that the areas that need improvement should have little to do with a pulled groin. If it does, then why was he on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 What dies a healthy groin have to do with his ability to see an open WR or throw the ball in anticipation? I'm not saying TT wasn't slowed down by it, just that the areas that need improvement should have little to do with a pulled groin. If it does, then why was he on the field? no sir, healthy groin is not a quick fix, I do believe however that it may have hurt Taylors game both run and pass because it forced T T to alter his style play in my humble opinion Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Sure they made a huge difference in winning the last Pitt game, oh wait...SMH I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here. So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter? Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..." Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel. As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play... Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot. Edited March 28, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here. So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter? Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..." Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel. As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play... Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot. Protecting the football does matter, On the other hand say its 3rd and a mile, your down two scores and running out of time, QB needs to start taking more chances as time starts winding down so going long at this point of the game for a possible INT becomes more acceptable to me. T T needs some experience in this part of his game management IMO. Edited March 28, 2017 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here. So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter? Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..." Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel. As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play... Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot. What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass. I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass. I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws. I've been saying that for over a year now. With more passes the odds increase but it's a worthwhile risk if it gets a few more wins. Edited March 28, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Taylor was playing with a groin injury through most of the 2016 season. When healthy T T is a different QB... ....I agree.....a groin injury would severely hamper his ability to process the field and find open receivers......without question............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here. So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter? Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..." Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel. As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play... Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot. How are you flabbergasted by what I said? I just pointed to the Pitt game because Pitt had 3 INTs while we had 1 but we still lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass. I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws. Would you say that those same QBs would be better with fewer interceptions? How are you flabbergasted by what I said? I just pointed to the Pitt game because Pitt had 3 INTs while we had 1 but we still lost. Yeah... interceptions, just like passing yards, just like rushing yards, just like passing TDs, aren't the only influence in winning. There are reasons we lost that Steelers game. One of the only reasons we were even almost in it was because Big Ben kept throwing picks. Edited March 28, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 ....I agree.....a groin injury would severely hamper his ability to process the field and find open receivers......without question............... touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass. I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws. Yes, we could have just kept Fitz. He was REAL good at that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Thx bro! Que the hate in 1...2...3... If only he could pass the ball. He sure can run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) What most are trying to say is that INT's are bound to happen when you play the QB position like you're supposed to. Many good to great QB's throw more INT's than Taylor because they are more aggressive when they pass. I would gladly trade off a few more INTs for TT to make more throws. Turnovers are one of the most important stats in getting to the playoffs. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/interceptions-thrown-per-game Out of the top 10 teams in least interceptions thrown, only 3 did not make the playoffs (Bills, Vikings, Bengals). Out of the bottom 10, only 2 made the playoffs (Texans, Steelers) and let's be honest the Texans didn't deserve to be there. Going back to the 2015 season, results are similar. Only 2 of the top 10 teams failed to make the playoffs (Bills, Rams) and only 3 of the bottom 10 teams made the playoffs. It is simply wrong to say that interceptions don't matter, or that they only matter a little. They matter a lot. The stats back it up every time. Edited March 28, 2017 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Turnovers are one of the most important stats in getting to the playoffs. https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/interceptions-thrown-per-game Out of the top 10 teams in least interceptions thrown, only 3 did not make the playoffs (Bills, Vikings, Bengals). The top 2 teams are New England and Atlanta. Out of the bottom 10, only 2 made the playoffs (Texans, Steelers) and let's be honest the Texans didn't deserve to be there. Going back to the 2015 season, results are similar. Only 2 of the top 10 teams failed to make the playoffs (Bills, Rams) and only 3 of the bottom 10 teams made the playoffs. It is simply wrong to say that interceptions don't matter, or that they only matter a little. They matter a lot. The stats back it up every time. It's just amazing how hypocritical some of these folks are considering that they throw out accusations of manipulating data to make Taylor look good. This is worse than that in many ways... it's taking something that everyone acknowledges is one of Taylor's greatest strengths and is pretty much universally accepted as a very important trait for a QB, and they're trying to make it seem like that trait that's pretty much universally accepted as important is actually not very important. Backasswards is what it is. And funny. And a little sad. Edited March 28, 2017 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Colin Kaepernick had a lower interception rate than Tyrod last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Colin Kaepernick had a lower interception rate than Tyrod last year. Your point? Colin Kaepernick didn't have a bad year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 So did Cody Kessler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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