Bob in Mich Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Taro T said: At what price point is production profitable for fracked oil? At what price is production profitable for Russian oil? What price above that does the Russian government require to keep their budget manageable? What is your point? Hillary may have restricted fracking? Btw, we know that Rosenstein explicitly stated that the Russians favored Trump heading into the election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Russians favoured Trump, I guess that is grounds to overturn the election results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Good morning Orange party! What’s on the agenda for today? Golf? Grabbing kitty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, row_33 said: Russians favoured Trump, I guess that is grounds to overturn the election results. https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/russian-word-for-24b86618cfdf52dc0b2384627ec0e9eaf91d16b4.html Hey 33, which of those words is the correct Russian word for the type of trolling you do here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Mount Rushmore of Soviet Communism Marx Lenin Stalin Trump there you go..... 5 minutes ago, thebug said: Good morning Orange party! What’s on the agenda for today? Golf? Grabbing kitty? Sweet life, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: There has been a lot of disagreement over 'any evidence of collusion'. Has there been evidence of collusion/conspiracy presented yet? Well, depending how you define the 'evidence of collusion', yes and no. NO: The entire case for conspiracy or collusion between the Trump people and Russians has not yet been proven. I completely agree. Rod Rosenstein clearly stated this latest round of indictments did not show collusion between the indicted Russians and any (witting) members of the Trump team. So, clearly then from this perspective, no proven collusion yet. YES: Another perspective on proving collusion involves demonstrating the motivation and willingness to conspire along with showing that the deal actually took place. Investigators would need to, for each involved party, check off boxes for motivation, willingness, and eventually conspiratorial actions. So, if Mueller is systematically checking off these boxes for each party, to this point he has demonstrated (incomplete) evidence of a conspiracy. Some boxes have been checked but not all of them yet. So, from this perspective, some elements of a conspiracy have been demonstrated. In no way, shape, or form has ANYTHING Mueller produced mentioned, hinted at, or implied collusion between trump and Russia. Not. A. Single. Thing. Youre wrong. And being willfully blind now as you desperately try to make your preformed conclusions match up with reality. Youre failing miserably. 2 hours ago, Bob in Mich said: Well, motivation? I assume you agree that there was motivation by both parties to get Trump elected. Rosenstein stated as much. Willingness? If you believe Don Jr's email trail, this has been shown by both parties...., recall 'I love it'. Actions? Well, some actions arguably have happened - but this is where the work continues. Hopefully the truth will be determined and demonstrated by the time Mueller finishes. The he indictment says explicitly the Russians were for and against trump and every candidate. The majority of their Facebook ad buys happened after the election. They organized protests of trump as well as rallies. You're wrong. Everything written here is inaccurate or spin. Define collusion in a legal sense please. If you can't, and I know you can't because you keep bungling it, you should read more before spouting off with mindless blather. 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: It is hard to imagine a president that could be more divisive and supposedly the Russian goal was to promote divisions. How do you feel about the overall atmosphere in the US in the last year or so? I agree people were divided during the late Bush and Obama administrations but to me, it seems worse than ever. Look at Trump's cabinet picks. Some of those appear to be made by Putin himself in order to get the sanctions removed. Perhaps Putin has compromat on Tillerson, Flynn, Trump, Wilbur Ross, and even non cabinet member Kushner. Maybe troubling personal or financial information would allow Putin some level of leverage over all of these men and that is why he 'suggested them' to Trump. Most of the other cabinet selections were extremely divisive in this country. Trump repeatedly appointed folks that were basically opposed to the department they are now controlling. Downsizing....maybe but also could be argued that these agencies are being weakened ...just as Russia would favor. You just proved again you don't have the basic understanding of geopolitics or politics to add anything of merit to this discussion. If if you think Flynn and Kushner are favored by Russia you expose yourself as a fool. Ask yourself this: are Russia and Israel allies or adversaries? There is only one right answer. And that answer exposes why this post above is nonsense. I I also note that you didn't protest when Citibank, owned by Bin Talal LITERALLY PICKED OBAMA'S cabinet. Every last man. This is documented and proven with actual evidence. But you think it's fine that Saudi Arabia influences our president right? Bin Talal is a beacon of humanity after all. A man who likes to murder and rape and trade children across the world is a-okay with Bob so long as he gives orders to democrats. Youre a fool. Wake up before it's too late. https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8190 Edited February 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 53 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: What is your point? Hillary may have restricted fracking? Btw, we know that Rosenstein explicitly stated that the Russians favored Trump heading into the election. You really don't know, do you? The point was that your poorly thought out example based on an extremely limited understanding of S&D didn't account for that what is profitable for one producer won't necessarily be profitable for another. Having oil prices approaching the extraction/production costs seriously messes w/ Putin's cash flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) Bob be a fun tool for amusement in here, he will fizzle out by Easter at the latest Edited February 19, 2018 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: Mount Rushmore of Soviet Communism Marx Lenin Stalin Trump there you go..... Were you in favor of the name change from Leningrad to St Petersburg? Seems like a slap in the face to a great leader, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Were you in favor of the name change from Leningrad to St Petersburg? Seems like a slap in the face to a great leader, no? Were you in favor of the Obama administration sitting in its hands while Hezbollah built up a narcotics and weapon smuggling ring inside the United States just because Obama didn't want to risk pissing off the Mullahs while negotiating the nuclear deal? Were you okay that that same Hezbollah ring were running a human trafficking network inside the United States - and Obama said "back off DEA, DHS, FBI - I don't care if they're trafficking children, I'm negotiating with the mullahs"? Or were you unaware that happened? A US president looking the other way while a known enemy runs drugs and guns into the poorest communities in our land while stealing American children to sell into sex slavery is FINE WITH BOB. But heaven forbid a US president say he's innocent about a crime they've yet to pride a lick of evidence for. That's just too far for Bob to handle. Kids getting traded like baseball cards is fine with Bob. Billions in in payouts to hostile enemies and terrorists is just fine with Bob. You might want to rethink where you're putting your outrage. Edited February 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Yes Bob, all cities over 49,900 should be renamed after Stalin, you have unmasked the true plans of Trump and his Soviet masters. Get a bigger desk to hide under when it’s Armageddon. ——— some day again the world championship of chess shall be controlled and won only by a man appointed by the Politburo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in Mich Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 DR, I have not bothered to read your posts for quite some time now and will put you on ignore after typing this. I do not quote or respond to you any longer. You have seen that, yet you persist. FU for your pages of insults you !@#$ing-loon. What part of 'I am tired of replying to your 'torrents of crap' did you not get? Yet you continue to spew more and more crap. I am not interested in reading your BS, precisely because I have thought for myself. So, FU What part of 'Please, please, don't reply to me unless I quote you' did you not comprehend? You are not conversing any longer. You are harrassing so again, FU Did you ever accidentally make eye contact with a crazy person? Soon the guy is 5 inches from your face ranting about the CIA's lizard people poisoning us all. YOU, ARE THAT RANTING CRAZY PERSON THAT WON'T GET OUT OF MY FACE. FU, you degenerate. I desperately wish I had never made eye contact and thought you might get weary of trying to engage. You are a monumental jerk. Not just obsessed, but a confrontational jerk. FU and go the !@#$ away. Devote as much time as you like in replying but know it is not to me. Again, FU, dickhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Bob, take a break, it’s okay, we all need one once a fortnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Were you in favor of the Obama administration sitting in its hands while Hezbollah built up a narcotics and weapon smuggling ring inside the United States just because Obama didn't want to risk pissing off the Mullahs while negotiating the nuclear deal? Were you okay that that same Hezbollah ring were running a human trafficking network inside the United States - and Obama said "back off DEA, DHS, FBI - I don't care if they're trafficking children, I'm negotiating with the mullahs"? Or were you unaware that happened? A US president looking the other way while a known enemy runs drugs and guns into the poorest communities in our land while stealing American children to sell into sex slavery is FINE WITH BOB. But heaven forbid a US president say he's innocent about a crime they've yet to pride a lick of evidence for. That's just too far for Bob to handle. Kids getting traded like baseball cards is fine with Bob. Billions in in payouts to hostile enemies and terrorists is just fine with Bob. You might want to rethink where you're putting your outrage. Coward DR won't answer the question. What a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: DR, I have not bothered to read your posts for quite some time now and will put you on ignore after typing this. Just like you ignore facts, logic, and hard evidence. Here's more for ya'... how many pedo arrests where there between 2012-2016, the last term of 44? Under 2,000. How many pedo arrests have there been in just the first year of 45? Over 40,000. But I'm sure that's just a coincidence, right? I'm sure all the pedos moved in after the election... not that previous administrations were intentionally ignoring a blight of epic proportions on this nation's soul. You can keep on ignoring me. I'm going to keep on responding to your drivel. You are spouting off talking points for an enemy to this country without doing any research or due dilegance of your own. That makes you complicit in what's happening. And what is happening is !@#$ing horrific. But you don't care. Because you've outsourced your ability to think for yourself. 16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: What part of 'I am tired of replying to your 'torrents of crap' did you not get? Yet you continue to spew more and more crap. I am not interested in reading your BS, precisely because I have thought for myself. So, FU Oh, you've thought for yourself have you? Tell me, what does your own thinking tell you about these pictures? Does "thinking for yourself" allow you to comprehend the evil inherent in these pictures? The bottom two are two of Podesta's favorite pieces of art, art so "complex" he had to build a basement viewing room (which was soundproofed) to display them to friends. That's normal right? But Bob doesn't care about this because he thinks for himself and decided that trading little kids is fine when it's done by a democrat. 16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: What part of 'Please, please, don't reply to me unless I quote you' did you not comprehend? You are not conversing any longer. You are harrassing so again, FU Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. You started this. Then ran away. You're spouting dangerous ignorance. And I'm going to call it out for what it is. 16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: I desperately wish I had never made eye contact and thought you might get weary of trying to engage. You are a monumental jerk. Not just obsessed, but a confrontational jerk. FU and go the !@#$ away. No, I'm just someone who cares about my country and the people in it. Even you. You're too ignorant to see what I'm saying, that's fine. But I can use your ignorant posts to show others. To help others. If you want it to stop - stop posting nonsense. 16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said: Devote as much time as you like in replying but know it is not to me. Again, FU, dickhead Sleep well tonight. Knowing you can willfully ignore evil of incredible proportions because you care more about party than country. That makes you an empty shell of a person. And I'll keep pointing it out as long as you keep spouting it. Edited February 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Just like you ignore facts, logic, and hard evidence. Here's more for ya'... how many pedo arrests where there between 2012-2016, the last term of 44? Under 2,000. How many pedo arrests have there been in just the first year of 45? Over 40,000. But I'm sure that's just a coincidence, right? I'm sure all the pedos moved in after the election... not that previous administrations were intentionally ignoring a blight of epic proportions on this nation's soul. You can keep on ignoring me. I'm going to keep on responding to your drivel. You are spouting off talking points for an enemy to this country without doing any research or due dilegance of your own. That makes you complicit in what's happening. And what is happening is !@#$ing horrific. But you don't care. Because you've outsourced your ability to think for yourself. Oh, you've thought for yourself have you? Tell me, what does your own thinking tell you about these pictures? Does "thinking for yourself" allow you to comprehend the evil inherent in these pictures? The bottom two are two of Podesta's favorite pieces of art, art so "complex" he had to build a basement viewing room (which was soundproofed) to display them to friends. That's normal right? But Bob doesn't care about this because he thinks for himself and decided that trading little kids is fine when it's done by a democrat. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. You started this. Then ran away. You're spouting dangerous ignorance. And I'm going to call it out for what it is. Maybe now they know what a pedo looks like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, thebug said: Maybe now they know what a pedo looks like? Nope. They just care about stopping it - unlike the last administration who had friends in high places profiting from human smuggling and ritualistic abuse. Edited February 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 (edited) ******************************************************************************* This sounds familiar, doesn't it? Flynn had to plead guilty to expose the corruption: How A Plea Reversal From Michael Flynn Could Uncover More Federal Corruption Quote With a protective order in place, Flynn’s attorneys should start receiving the required disclosures from the special counsel’s office. There is reason to believe these will include some bombshells. First, we know from the recently released GOP House Intelligence Committee memo and the Grassley-Graham criminal referral of Christopher Steele, the FBI and DOJ withheld significant (and material, in my view) information in seeking a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to conduct surveillance on Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page. There is cause to believe the FISA court was connected to the criminal charge filed against Flynn because Contreras, who recused less than a week after accepting Flynn’s guilty plea, “is one of just three FISA court judges who sits in the District of Columbia, where it is likely the Trump-Russia FISA warrants were sought.” Was other evidence withheld, either from the FISA court or from Flynn’s attorneys in negotiating a plea? Again, there is reason to believe so, given the players involved and the facts already uncovered. http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/19/michael-flynns-plea-reversal-uncover-federal-corruption/#.Worx-Hb-Rxp.twitter Edited February 19, 2018 by Deranged Rhino separated posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Bob in Mich said: What is your point? Hillary may have restricted fracking? Btw, we know that Rosenstein explicitly stated that the Russians favored Trump heading into the election. This is why you're an insufferable fool. Once again, somebody asks you logical questions meant to stimulate dormant brain cells. Those questions have a specific point - that is to answer the question how a President's policies can affect global commodity prices. Your response is another, "So what? I don't care about your little facts." And way to misinterpret what Rosenstein meant. Russians moved onto Trump because he was the next man up, not because they favored him to win. A Trump presidency is much worse for Russia than a Hillary one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 minute ago, GG said: This is why you're an insufferable fool. Once again, somebody asks you logical questions meant to stimulate dormant brain cells. Those questions have a specific point - that is to answer the question how a President's policies can affect global commodity prices. Your response is another, "So what? I don't care about your little facts." And way to misinterpret what Rosenstein meant. Russians moved onto Trump because he was the next man up, not because they favored him to win. A Trump presidency is much worse for Russia than a Hillary one. The indictment clearly shows Trump was the favored Republican candidate and Bernie was the favored Democratic candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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