YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 @rapsheet Tyrod Taylor wont take less. Both sides open to reworking deal, cap numbers http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785278/article/real-possibility-tyrod-taylor-open-to-altered-contract?campaign=Twitter_atn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 @rapsheet Tyrod Taylor wont take less. Both sides open to reworking deal, cap numbershttp://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785278/article/real-possibility-tyrod-taylor-open-to-altered-contract?campaign=Twitter_atn I think he is open to more money this year without the multi year guarantees. He has a big year and he is gone cause he certainly wont stay after how he has been treated. if he has a bad year we arent locked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 @rapsheet Tyrod Taylor wont take less. Both sides open to reworking deal, cap numbers http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785278/article/real-possibility-tyrod-taylor-open-to-altered-contract?campaign=Twitter_atn "Team's financial experts...."I think he is open to more money this year without the multi year guarantees. He has a big year and he is gone cause he certainly wont stay after how he has been treated. if he has a bad year we arent locked in.That would be less guaranteed money though and I don't see him taking that. He's getting $30M guaranteed somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The fact that there are so many "potential" suitors could help us in the trade avenue. A team may be willing to part with a mid round pick for Tyrod if it meant eliminating competition with other teams A mid-round pick? If that's all they could get, it's a dumb move. The Bills would likely use it to draft someone too early (TJ Graham) or waste it on someone with off-the-field issues (S.Henderson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 "Team's financial experts...."That would be less guaranteed money though and I don't see him taking that. He's getting $30M guaranteed somewhere. You may very well be right however my thinking is the amount of money left on the table this year will be well worth the risk if he has a big year and then becomes a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) You may very well be right however my thinking is the amount of money left on the table this year will be well worth the risk if he has a big year and then becomes a free agent.Yeah, it's not a bad strategy but he kind of did it last year. He's going to get that big chunk now while he can. He saw what Osweiler got and he stinks. TT has value in this market and will get that payday to set his family up for a long time. In your scenario the upside may very well be higher. I just think that he's worried about the downside. He may take a shorter deal with the Bills but imo guaranteed money won't go back. Edited February 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I think he is open to more money this year without the multi year guarantees. He has a big year and he is gone cause he certainly wont stay after how he has been treated. if he has a bad year we arent locked in. How he has been treated? Wtf is wrong with people on this forum anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Yeah, it's not a bad strategy but he kind of did it last year. He's going to get that big chunk now while he can. He saw what Osweiler got and he stinks. TT has value in this market and will get that payday to set his family up for a long time. In your scenario the upside may very well be higher. I just think that he's worried about the downside. He may take a shorter deal with the Bills but imthe guaranteed money won't go back. You may be right and probably are. I am just thinking he already has enough for his lifetime if managed well. I am thinking his ego may kick in and he may see his Risk/Reward is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Yeah, it's not a bad strategy but he kind of did it last year. He's going to get that big chunk now while he can. He saw what Osweiler got and he stinks. TT has value in this market and will get that payday to set his family up for a long time. In your scenario the upside may very well be higher. I just think that he's worried about the downside. He may take a shorter deal with the Bills but imo guaranteed money won't go back. No, Whaley did that last year. He set us up for this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 No, Whaley did that last year. He set us up for this mess.I was referring to TT playing on a "prove-it" deal. He played for well under market value in hopes of landing a big deal. He won't do that again this year. He will get paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 I was referring to TT playing on a "prove-it" deal. He played for well under market value in hopes of landing a big deal. He won't do that again this year. He will get paid. That was his original deal in 2015, but yes, he's going for all he can get now. This is his "second contract" basically and for lots of NFLers, it's the biggest one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 That was his original deal in 2015, but yes, he's going for all he can get now. This is his "second contract" basically and for lots of NFLers, it's the biggest one.He played for like $9M last year which is way under market value (but not as far under as 2015). You are right on the 2nd contract and often it's the last. If he played for even a one year $15M deal and got hurt or didn't play well he may have a hard time making up the difference. The NFL is so different than other sports with the contracts not guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 He played for like $9M last year which is way under market value (but not as far under as 2015). You are right on the 2nd contract and often it's the last. If he played for even a one year $15M deal and got hurt or didn't play well he may have a hard time making up the difference. The NFL is so different than other sports with the contracts not guaranteed. Only way it can function, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Only way it can function, IMO.Agreed, with rosters that size and the amount of injuries you have to be able to turn it over. At least it has to be this way with a hard cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 As he shouldn't. It's a great deal and he can easily get more on the open market. I don't blame him at all. What's a great deal and how much can he easily get: from who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Am I missing something? Nobody is reporting that the Bills actually asked Tyrod to take a pay cut, are they? Is this even a story? And of course he'd say no. I don't think the team is stupid enough to even approach him with something so obvious. He will get at least the same amount of dollars from some other team. Hell, the Jets paid Fitzpatrick around $13 million last season. Osweiler is getting $19 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) What's a great deal and how much can he easily get: from who? Is this your first time paying attention to the NFL? QB who do OK can get amazing deals. Edited February 11, 2017 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 That would be less guaranteed money though and I don't see him taking that. He's getting $30M guaranteed somewhere. So how do we structure the deal so Tyrod gets what he wants, the Bills cap isn't killed - can we spread it over 3? He's a bridge guy over the next 2 - 3 while Cardale and this / next year's draft pics mature (unless he gets it done and gets an extension)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) So how do we structure the deal so Tyrod gets what he wants, the Bills cap isn't killed - can we spread it over 3? He's a bridge guy over the next 2 - 3 while Cardale and this / next year's draft pics mature (unless he gets it done and gets an extension)? You lower the base salary and convert that to a signing bonus and spread it across the length of the deal. You'd essentially kick the can down the road. His $12M salary and $3.25M of his 2018 salary become guaranteed on March 11 in addition to the $15.5M option bonus. The cap hit on the option bonus is spread over the 5 years. The Bills can take other $15.5M and lower his base to like $6M with other $9.25M as a signing bonus. That would lower his cap hit now but raise it some down the road. That would give him like an $11M cap number this year. The cap hits in future years would be like $4.95M a year plus his base salary if he is on the roster. It is cumulative though. If you cut him after 2017 (you'd take a $19.8M hit), after 2018 $14.85M, after 2019 $9.9M, etc... This all assumes that my math is right and it has been a long week. EDIT: The most practical thing to do in this scenario is probably to raise the 2017 base and guarantee it. If you are going to keep him this year anyway, take the hit early in the deal. The only reason to do it the other way is if you think that he will be here and you want the extra cap space. Edited February 11, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 The list of teams that USED TO BE as bad as the Bills at various times over the last 16 years is long. The Bills organization is a special, enduring kinda' bad. Billsy Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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