PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 We have been so insanely spoiled by above average corner play that we don't realize they grow on trees. How many actually good corners are out there? Look what losing Norman did to the panthers? And he was replaced by two rookies playing better than expected. When you have the right pieces already established its important to keep them. We let mckelvin, brooks go to try to keep Gilmore. If we fail at Gilmore it will set us back at least one game next yr and something that will take a few yrs to recover from. Even if we draft a stellar cb who can fill in we have other needs we must address. You build thru the draft and keep your talent that you have developed when you can. In hindsight paying guys like Hughes and Aaron Williams has shown to be a joke. Gilmore does not miss games and plays a much more important role than either. Other than rookie year, he hasnt played a full season. How about against Fitzgerald AJ Green? There are many examples over and over of him taking a premier WR out of the game How about against Fitzpatrick and the Jets? There are many examples over and over of him making the wrong play, taking penalties and just quitting on tackling or looking to blame others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Our secondary as a whole is bad. Gilmore has shown good things but several good things too. Considering that the overall D is up for an upgrade in the offseason, we need to keep as many of the good ones as we have and upgrade the other positions. Badly need safety help, as an example. Having said that, there is a budget to be mindful of and hence I would set a ceiling to his value and see where it shakes out. On a related note, it is striking how poorly the D has performed this season. Is it Ryan alone ? Rob Ryan or does Ed Reed also shoulder some of the blame for the poor secondary ? Gilmore is just one piece of this evaluation. Some of his performance is self preservation, but how much of it was due to poor schemes, being put in bad situations, having to cover for our weakness at safety, lack of communication ? Coaching evaluators should assess the overall performance and make changes where they need to be made. If it were up to me, as I said before, I would retain Gilmore at perhaps a top 6-10 corner scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! I doubt that in the heat of the battle Gilmore is pondering his contract. I mean if anything, he would get better money if he made more tackles and played better. The bottom line is he lacks heart and is not tough, Seymour in my opinion plays the same way. I would not give him a big pay day, use the money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Other than rookie year, he hasnt played a full season. How about against Fitzpatrick and the Jets? There are many examples over and over of him making the wrong play, taking penalties and just quitting on tackling or looking to blame others. Going to the One game to trump last 3 years i see Maybe Rex should not have ran Donnie Henderson out if town for Ed Reed. But wanted to get fully pregnant I doubt that in the heat of the battle Gilmore is pondering his contract. I mean if anything, he would get better money if he made more tackles and played better. The bottom line is he lacks heart and is not tough, Seymour in my opinion plays the same way. I would not give him a big pay day, use the money elsewhere. Ha ha yeah watch his contract he is about to get CB DO NOT get paid because they can tackle. One person leaves this year the entire secondary regresses under Rex and his Minions but its on Gilmore because he had a couple bad games. Was it Gilmore or the scheme. Hmmm Edited December 25, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Going to the One game to trump last 3 years i see Maybe Rex should not have ran Donnie Henderson out if town for Ed Reed. But wanted to get fully pregnant just wanted to make note that I totally agree with you. A Christmas miracle. Reed with no coaching experience replaces Henderson, who seemed to be an outstanding coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 just wanted to make note that I totally agree with you. A Christmas miracle. Reed with no coaching experience replaces Henderson, who seemed to be an outstanding coach. See not everything it on TT i can be very critical on other areas of the team in those threads. However as much as i think the team is worse without Gilmore this team is not a Top 10 CB away from a run. Better use those assets elsewhere specially if we are overhauling the coaching staff and defensive philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I think Gilmore is an above average player, but not elite. What bothers me about him is his lack of fire & intensity. I'm on the fence with him. But I am almost to the point where I would take a less talented corner with leadership skills and heart, over a player who "plays not to get hurt". Just my 3 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I think Gilmore is an above average player, but not elite. What bothers me about him is his lack of fire & intensity. I'm on the fence with him. But I am almost to the point where I would take a less talented corner with leadership skills and heart, over a player who "plays not to get hurt". Just my 3 cents. Bet he doesnt play not to get hurt if he had a contract in place. Just saying because history with him shows he will play hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 See not everything it on TT i can be very critical on other areas of the team in those threads. However as much as i think the team is worse without Gilmore this team is not a Top 10 CB away from a run. Better use those assets elsewhere specially if we are overhauling the coaching staff and defensive philosophy Maybe money better spent elsewhere, but I read the cap may increase dramatically next year. Money may not be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Yeah Carolina didnt need Norman so much watch this contract they are about to hand Gilmore in the offseason when they get the chancegood sources show he is headed to Carolina but not opposed to re-signing with the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Maybe money better spent elsewhere, but I read the cap may increase dramatically next year. Money may not be an issue. True money might not be. But Scheme could be. Say they hire a Cover 3 Philosophy DC. Gilmore is gonna struggle because of the amount if off coverage there. Just like i think he will struggle in Carolina if they keep their Zone heavy concepts. He is a man cover physical press CB that is the type if defense he needs to be in. good sources show he is headed to Carolina but not opposed to re-signing with the bills Yeah his Women has said that often I think he struggles in Carolina unless they change up their Zone heavy concepts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Bet he doesnt play not to get hurt if he had a contract in place. Just saying because history with him shows he will play hard What history? Remember when he played with the club? Remember when he quit on a play and looked at others? Remember when he hurt himself tackling with his neck down? I watch the games, he is ok. nothing more, nothing less. If our highest paid players will be: TT, MD, SG, then this Bills team is in BIG BIG TROUBLE FOR YEARS TO COME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 True money might not be. But Scheme could be. Say they hire a Cover 3 Philosophy DC. Gilmore is gonna struggle because of the amount if off coverage there. Just like i think he will struggle in Carolina if they keep their Zone heavy concepts. He is a man cover physical press CB that is the type if defense he needs to be in. Goes back to the biggest blunder we made in Rex, need to hire a DC that fits the talent we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 What history? Remember when he played with the club? Remember when he quit on a play and looked at others? Remember when he hurt himself tackling with his neck down? I watch the games, he is ok. nothing more, nothing less. If our highest paid players will be: TT, MD, SG, then this Bills team is in BIG BIG TROUBLE FOR YEARS TO COME! I do watch the games. Sorry you want our CB to be a Lber. Idea get better LBer and then your cover Corner doesnt need to be one in the fans eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 When you have the right pieces already established its important to keep them. We let mckelvin, brooks go to try to keep Gilmore. If we fail at Gilmore it will set us back at least one game next yr and something that will take a few yrs to recover from.Really Bro. Seriously? Losing him will set us back a game next year? How about the game he lost us yesterday? Would that make it a wash? If he was as great as some purport him to be, this team would be winning lots of games and playoff bound. And when you speak of, "a few years to recover," I do think it begs the question, recover from what? From 17 years of no playoffs? From Gilmore getting burned often? From his lack of effort? It can't get much worse imo and if it somehow did, we would draft in the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Really Bro. Seriously? Losing him will set us back a game next year? How about the game he lost us yesterday? Would that make it a wash? If he was as great as some purport him to be, this team would be winning lots of games and playoff bound. And when you speak of, "a few years to recover," I do think it begs the question, recover from what? From 17 years of no playoffs? From Gilmore getting burned often? From his lack of effort? It can't get much worse imo and if it somehow did, we would draft in the top 5. The burnt often part lovely. Completely false but doesnt matter i guess So when we run Gilmore out of town this offseason who it the next player we are gonna scapegoat for wanting to be paid? Sammy? Just starting my offseason prep and want to know who i need to sharpen pitchforks for Edited December 25, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 The burnt often part lovely. Completely false but doesnt matter i guess Not false. He is a typical Bills player. Under pressure, he wilts like the rest of them. Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Not false. He is a typical Bills player. Under pressure, he wilts like the rest of them. Frank Yet every measurable coverage stat shows its false Edited December 25, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 The burnt often part lovely. Completely false but doesnt matter i guess So when we run Gilmore out of town this offseason who it the next player we are gonna scapegoat for wanting to be paid? Sammy? Just starting my offseason prep and want to know who i need to sharpen pitchforks for First of all, do you seriously believe that Gilmore wants to play in Buffalo? Is this what you think? You and I are far from capable of running a player out of town. As far as next year, this team needs a complete rebuild from Brandon on down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I urge many here to watch the CB play around the NFL. It's piss poor. Our's have played well considering they're often in the wrong position given Rob Ryan is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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