Momma Pecoraro Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Rejoice, O young man, in your youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Rejoice, O young man, in your youth. But don't do it on a speed boat in the dead of night off Miami Beach, for God's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 But don't do it on a speed boat in the dead of night off Miami Beach, for God's sake. I know Tom. This simply may not be the thread even though the OP titled it openly. No disrespect @ all... But if one of them couldn't throw a fastball, most of us would be putting them in for a Darwin Award. Celebrate life... And he had quite a life. I hope the way he died sinks in to many doing stupid things while living on the edge. So sad. This is what they hit: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Cut Again, no disrespect. $$$ to donuts somebody claims that it wasn't properly lit or marked. /wallbash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 ....Or, gasp... Waiting for blame from rising sea levels... GW. Yeah that's it. Rising sea levels from CG caused the rock in the breakwater jetty to be submerged! :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Apparently there's a lighted marker buoy about 100 yards SE off the end of jetty. Local boaters said they are supposed to go around it and make a wide right turn up the channel. That's the safe proper way of doing it. but lot's of small boats take the short cut between the marker and the end of the rocks... it saves a minute or so i guess. speculation is thats what Fernandez did and cut it too close to the rocks since they aren't lit up. Just an awful way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) Apparently there's a lighted marker buoy about 100 yards SE off the end of jetty. Local boaters said they are supposed to go around it and make a wide right turn up the channel. That's the safe proper way of doing it. but lot's of small boats take the short cut between the marker and the end of the rocks... it saves a minute or so i guess. speculation is thats what Fernandez did and cut it too close to the rocks since they aren't lit up. Just an awful way to goWow. I caught that it was a "center console" vessel... So not exactly a Cigarette type boat that I associate w/the word "speed" boat. You know, "Donzi" type, MiamiVice type drug runner... That being said, they may have not been hauling azz too much, but a nice center console vessel like a SeaSwirl or Boston Whaler will clipp along, especially w/two ginornous outboards. I digress as usual. But you are right, IT WOULD be a shame if they did cut that daymark/light off. Again, maybe the got disorientated @ night (happens all the time on water)... But then you go through the area @ snail's pace, motors unlocked, and a spotter on the bow (better with a light). Yeah but that schitcans your extra minutes! Oh well... :-( EDIT: I wonder why that passage is there. It probably wasn't in 1916? ;-) ;-) if that is the case. This high profile case may open a can of worms, legally? ?? It is a haz to nav, should it be marked? Any Coasties here? Or should the operators know better than to not go cut the daymark off? Edited September 27, 2016 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Would people have the same responses if after a night out at the bar, he decided to take a 60mph shortcut through a tight sidewalk in his Porsche, and then hit a stone wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 They were docked up and in a popular bar. Just before the accident. The initial statement of no alcohol involved was because no beer or anything was found inside the boat. still awaiting toxicology reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 https://i.imgur.com/jDoxmAP.gifv "Did you catch that?" Almost as well as he caught the rocks in the face. Too soon? Would people have the same responses if after a night out at the bar, he decided to take a 60mph shortcut through a tight sidewalk in his Porsche, and then hit a stone wall? Wouldn't have changed mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Apparently there's a lighted marker buoy about 100 yards SE off the end of jetty. Local boaters said they are supposed to go around it and make a wide right turn up the channel. That's the safe proper way of doing it. but lot's of small boats take the short cut between the marker and the end of the rocks... it saves a minute or so i guess. speculation is thats what Fernandez did and cut it too close to the rocks since they aren't lit up. Just an awful way to go I thought they'd determined that Fernandez was just a passenger, not driving... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma Pecoraro Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) The legend lives on from Fidel on down, of the great beach they call Miami. Edited September 28, 2016 by Momma Pecoraro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Would people have the same responses if after a night out at the bar, he decided to take a 60mph shortcut through a tight sidewalk in his Porsche, and then hit a stone wall? Nope. Not @ all. Anyway, they were most likely good guys who's bad choice caught up w/them in a horribly wrong way. Just happened to play high risk, high reward (whatever reward that may be, a few minutes?) & on the water that tends to phuck you over bad when you play that type of game. Simply wearing their PFDs may have changed the odds greatly. A Type I or II PFD will turn an unconscious person over in the water so they can breathe. I wonder what cause of death was. They may have had a fighting chance if drowning while unconscious didn't get them first. I highly doubt that anything but drowning got them. Simply having the vessel's prop hit a rock and sending them flying into the water will not kill them. Flying into the water and getting knocked out will. Getting trapped under your vessel another story. You get it. Simply an unconscious person in the water w/their head down is lethal. Oh well... I thought they'd determined that Fernandez was just a passenger, not driving... Then at least get his PFD on before hurtling through the night. I have very little sympathy for stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I thought they'd determined that Fernandez was just a passenger, not driving... I heard this as well. I heard on the radio this morning that he would often go out on this boat, but never drive it and didn't even know how to start it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) I heard this as well. I heard on the radio this morning that he would often go out on this boat, but never drive it and didn't even know how to start it. So we should be blaming the operator. As a boat passenger like in this case, I think one has a bit of responsibility to have more situational awareness. Like hey, "Like do we need a spotter/lookout on the bow." "Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't being going this fast in limited visabilty." Again, they will find some way to blame that there was a hazard to navigation that should have been dealt with. Yeah, the hazard is being a group of dumbasses on a boat. You'd be amazed how often this happens. You think it is bad on the road. Edited September 28, 2016 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 I have very little sympathy for stupidity. Hey, don't be so hard on yourself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Hey, don't be so hard on yourself... I very hard on myself... That is why I don't do these kinds of stupid things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 So we should be blaming the operator. As a boat passenger like in this case, I think one has a bit of responsibility to have more situational awareness. Like hey, "Like do we need a spotter/lookout on the bow." "Maybe, just maybe we shouldn't being going this fast in limited visabilty." Again, they will find some way to blame that there was a hazard to navigation that should have been dealt with. Yeah, the hazard is being a group of dumbasses on a boat. You'd be amazed how often this happens. You think it is bad on the road. If it was Fernandez's boat, I'd guess it was being driven the way Fernandez wanted. The other two guys were his posse -- the kind of guys who are on call for a 3am boat ride when the boss gets into a fight with his girlfriend and wants to go out and blow off some steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 If it was Fernandez's boat, I'd guess it was being driven the way Fernandez wanted. The other two guys were his posse -- the kind of guys who are on call for a 3am boat ride when the boss gets into a fight with his girlfriend and wants to go out and blow off some steam. My uncle was drafted in to the Army and sent to Vietnam. When he left, he left his speedboat in my dad's care. A year later, my uncle gets back from 'Nam, and dad greets him with "Hey...remember your boat?" My father took the boat out on the Niagara river, and somehow, in a manner that no one has ever really understood, he managed to send the empty boat over the Falls. Pretty sure that's not how my uncle wanted his boat driven. (And it's still fun to ask my uncle "Hey, remember your boat?" in front of dad.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 My uncle was drafted in to the Army and sent to Vietnam. When he left, he left his speedboat in my dad's care. A year later, my uncle gets back from 'Nam, and dad greets him with "Hey...remember your boat?" My father took the boat out on the Niagara river, and somehow, in a manner that no one has ever really understood, he managed to send the empty boat over the Falls. Pretty sure that's not how my uncle wanted his boat driven. (And it's still fun to ask my uncle "Hey, remember your boat?" in front of dad.) You're sick! I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 High speed boating in the middle of the night is an incredibly bad idea. Especially after a night of drinking. The news here is treating it like a state funeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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