clearwater cadet Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Gilmore is good, but I don't believe he is top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Without Gilmore and Darby last year the team would have finished much worse than they did and in both stats, overall record. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRQ_BillsFan Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Darby was certainly a nice surprise. I don't see it but it not impossible that he could regress and have a bad year this year. It makes sense to think he could pass Gilmore but it is far from a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Will Gilmore be satisfied with that? It doesn't sound as if he will if the media reports are true, about wanting to be paid like the best. Why not? Big fat signing bonus but the big salary cap hit doesn't have to hit until next year. Darby was certainly a nice surprise. I don't see it but it not impossible that he could regress and have a bad year this year. It makes sense to think he could pass Gilmore but it is far from a sure thing. This is true. Some do have a "sophomore" slump. Could happen, but I am not seeing it. The whole secondary I think feed off of each other. I think they were communicating much better toward the end of last season. I'd really hate to see them broken up just when they started getting good as a unit. Regardless of whether you think Gilmore is top 10 or not, he is definitely a key piece in a very good secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Will Gilmore be satisfied with that? It doesn't sound as if he will if the media reports are true, about wanting to be paid like the best. Have you ever been involved in any way with any financial negotiation of any type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 For sure someone else will. I don't care about that logic though let them. You can't keep all your guys that are about to sign for top money deals at their position. Levitre and Byrd are good example to me of managing a team effectively. Personally I do see them letting Gilmore go. Not that I want to but if someone else will pay him 18 million doesn't mean we should. Teams aren't lining up to overpay guards or centre fielders. I know what you're getting at but corners aren't plug and play like a lot of positions. They are cornerstone talents, the odds of finding one that'll reach Gilmore's level probably isn't all that high. Schematically, Rex can do so much with 2 corners that are capable of shutting down one sideline. By the time Darby needs paying (provided that he keeps up the form he showed as a rookie), Gilmore should have the significant portion of his guaranteed money eaten up. Move him along when you have a younger stud to pay but, while you've got a starter on 2nd round rookie money, corner is a smart investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 I actually think the approach with Gilmore should be to use the space we have this year to pay as much as we can in year 1 (all guaranteed) of a 5 year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 14, 2016 Share Posted July 14, 2016 Teams aren't lining up to overpay guards or centre fielders. I know what you're getting at but corners aren't plug and play like a lot of positions. They are cornerstone talents, the odds of finding one that'll reach Gilmore's level probably isn't all that high. Schematically, Rex can do so much with 2 corners that are capable of shutting down one sideline. By the time Darby needs paying (provided that he keeps up the form he showed as a rookie), Gilmore should have the significant portion of his guaranteed money eaten up. Move him along when you have a younger stud to pay but, while you've got a starter on 2nd round rookie money, corner is a smart investment. I see we agree. It often depends upon the schemes where the value lay. In this particular case, i do feel that Gilmore has great deal of value to the Ryans Bills. And that is why they will pay him. 15 mill seems so ridiculous to even write . But depending on how they detail the contract with guaranteed money, it may not be. This truly is best left to Overdorf and Pegula. The real and honest question is. Do you folks want to keep Gilmore or try something else? I think best thing for Bills is to keep him and watch him continue to improve over the next 3-5 years. Hope Ronald continues his trend, and See More give them both a push to improve. Doesnt that sound awesome ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 This is the rub with Rex always stroking his players' ego. It's just not wise to do in a contract year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 This is the rub with Rex always stroking his players' ego. It's just not wise to do in a contract year. Why not ? Rex wants him to play for Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I actually think the approach with Gilmore should be to use the space we have this year to pay as much as we can in year 1 (all guaranteed) of a 5 year deal. That's a bad idea. Carryover rules mean there is no advantage to doing that. It's much better to maintain some cap flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 i read something i heard that Darby is already eyeing Josh Norman contract as what he may look forward to down the line. Well, what young CB wouldn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Well, what young CB wouldn't? and yes he did say something that effect. means he will be going to work !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 and yes he did say something that effect. means he will be going to work !! It's almost as if money is a motivating factor for him or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 It's almost as if money is a motivating factor for him or something. and that is what the NFL has become. its just business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 and that is what the NFL has become. its just business... And why shouldn't it be? It's the livelihood of the players, coaches and front office people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 I actually think the approach with Gilmore should be to use the space we have this year to pay as much as we can in year 1 (all guaranteed) of a 5 year deal. So we replace Gilmore's 5th year option with a new deal and offer Tyrod an extension on the year he has left? The Bills current top 51 + rookie pool gives us $6.5m in cap room so that gives us a lot of leeway to really pump money in Gilmore this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRQ_BillsFan Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Why not? Big fat signing bonus but the big salary cap hit doesn't have to hit until next year. This is true. Some do have a "sophomore" slump. Could happen, but I am not seeing it. The whole secondary I think feed off of each other. I think they were communicating much better toward the end of last season. I'd really hate to see them broken up just when they started getting good as a unit. Regardless of whether you think Gilmore is top 10 or not, he is definitely a key piece in a very good secondary. I agree 100% we would be fortunet even with a 1st round pick to have someone match Gilmore's current level of play. I would just hate to bank on Darby and let him walk and then find that Darby does regress. But I guess we do have this year to make sure that won't happen. Although waiting until next year on Gilmore will most likely cost the Bills more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 And why shouldn't it be? It's the livelihood of the players, coaches and front office people. No argument. Regardless of my sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 So we replace Gilmore's 5th year option with a new deal and offer Tyrod an extension on the year he has left? The Bills current top 51 + rookie pool gives us $6.5m in cap room so that gives us a lot of leeway to really pump money in Gilmore this year. Does any of that money carry over if we don't spend it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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