Doc Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I won't disagree that there is a place for the intervention / assistance at the federal level. We have seen it from civil rights to organized crime. I do not have a problem with it. Like I said, as long as it is doesn't lend itself to further injustice in its application. Just as an example, there came a time in this country when black communities across the country were being devastated by crack cocaine and associated crime. The federal government stepped in with the ability to deal with it in a way the local communities could not. One of the byproducts of that effort was the institution of sentencing guidelines to draw a distinction between crack cocaine and powder cocaine. The intent was to increase minimum mandatory sentencing for crack cocaine as a deterrent. It truly was done with good intentions because black communities were literally being destroyed by the sale and use of crack cocaine, as well as the violent crime associated with it. What happened is that an entire generation of young black men were locked up for disproportionate lengths of time for crack cocaine than for similar offenses involving powder cocaine. Young black men were routinely being sentenced to 5 - 20 years for non-violent offenses involving relatively small amounts of crack cocaine (in relation to the sentencing). All I am saying is that I do not oppose any bill that seeks to help/assist local communities or address injustices in the system. We should just try our best to shape it as specifically as possible to avoid further injustice. I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher. Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: God bless America - or what’s left of it. Happy Trump voters? You installing sky high fencing around your compound too? ....see that they don't empty the septic tank on weekends.......you filled it....... Edited June 7, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy
Doc Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: 80% of Americans say the country is out of control. That is a remarkable statement. Americans Are More Troubled by Police Actions in Killing of George Floyd Than by Violence at Protests, Poll Finds Thanks Trumpholes!! If you say so @Deranged Rhino After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control? Amazing. 1
BillStime Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Doc said: After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control? Amazing. Cause and effect - but I understand you don’t have the ability to think holistically.
billsfan1959 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Doc said: I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher. Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty. Agree. I understood the reasoning behind it. Crack cocaine may be the single greatest factor in the rise of crime rates in black communities across the country, not just in urban areas. People were looking for solutions in any way they could find them. Unfortunately, the result at the federal level was a complete disaster for young black men and relations between law enforcement and black communities. Here is something you won't hear: There was such a disparity in the sentencing that law enforcement officers were routinely witholding information from the courts (in regard to relevant conduct) just to keep the sentences of some offenders as low as they could within the guidelines. Edited June 7, 2020 by billsfan1959 1 1
Doc Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, BillStime said: Cause and effect - but I understand you don’t have the ability to think holistically. Weak response from a weak mind. George Floyd's murder, while terrible, didn't justify the criminal behavior, especially after Chauvin was arrested and charged. 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Agree. I understood the reasoning behind it. Crack cocaine may be the single greatest factor in the rise of crime rates in black communities across the country, not just in urban areas. People were looking for solutions in any way they could find them. Unfortunately, the result at the federal level was a complete disaster for young black men and relations between law enforcement and black communities. Here is something you won't hear: There was such a disparity in the sentencing that law enforcement officers were routinely witholding information from the courts (in regard to relevant conduct) just to keep the sentences of some offenders as low as they could within the guidelines. I agree about crack cocaine, but they should have increased the penalty for powder cocaine as well. By not doing so, they make it appear racist, or at the very least, classist. 2
Numark3 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, Doc said: I never understood why the penalty for crack versus powdered cocaine was harsher. Using cocaine period should have had the same penalty. because the war on drugs, while well intentioned, was in hindsight a major major ***** up 1
BillStime Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Weak response from a weak mind. Stop projecting @Deranged Rhino -
Magox Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 It’s happening. They are going radical and you never go full radical. 1 3
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Many people forgetting if defund the police whos going to protect us from rob our places, shooting people. As well as gang and mobs more controlling. Plus all the illegal drugs. Easier to rob the government as well. (hope not) Agree with lots of things but we do need police. Before any doubter says anything my mother and I take all kinds of people to store and hangout with them as good people and friends. Trust in morals, honor and respectful people. Edited June 7, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan
Penfield45 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, Doc said: After a week of criminals destroying cities and Dem governors and mayors did nothing about it, people think that the country is out of control? Amazing. the funny part is you trump supporters think those liberal mayors and governors are on our side, but they aren't. we are against them too. there needs to be a complete shake up of the political party in america and we will get there eventually .step 1 is to remove trump out of office. its almost 2021 and we still have a 2 party system in america, its a complete joke.
BillStime Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Conservative journalist to Trump: resign On Some Things, Americans Can Agree The thought of a malignant narcissist resigning on his own accord makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.
Penfield45 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Many people forgetting if defund the police whos going to protect us from rob our places, shooting people. As well as gang and mobs more controlling. Plus all the illegal drugs. Easier to rob the government as well. (hope not) Agree with lots of things but we do need police. Before any doubter says anything my mother and I take all kinds of people to store. Trust in morals, honor and respectful people. first of all, defending police does not mean they go away, how do you not understand this? i means not giving them billions of dollars to spend when they absolutely have no use for that money, and we need to pay them less. put that money towards education and infrastructure in towns/cities. your precious cops aren't going anywhere calm the f down Edited June 7, 2020 by Penfield45
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: first of all, defending police does not mean they go away, how do you not understand this? i means not giving them billions of dollars to spend when they absolutely have no use for that money, and we need to pay them less. put that money towards education and infrastructure in towns/cities. your presious cops aren't going anywhere calm the f down Right some people out there get to me says get rid of them all. Just don't get it. Ya man I have disabilities. Born wiith it. all the police around here (live at)have been nice. Take me home and stuff. A mexican here really good guy. (police) Love seeing him. Agree with education and infrastructure. Those are pretty important. I felt bad for George Floyd. Many people out there. The old guy pushed over in Buffalo. Those police deserve some punishment and face the law. I'm pretty open minded. Edited June 7, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan 1 1
Penfield45 Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Jaraxxus said: The progressive mantra: "give us more stuff. We'll behave then and not ask for more. We promise." what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get???? so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: what the actual ***** is wrong with you. like honestly how dumb can you people get???? so you are against better education for your children/grandchildren? the american education system is totally broken, but yes lets keep funding police millions on millions for what exactly? Why do you want police to be so over funded? you have not answered this question yet and I'm waiting. ...don't think anyone could lower their explanation to your level of incomprehension.....we have Sunday's "posting child"..... 1
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