Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: "protestors" And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home.
Justice Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Prickly Pete said: Every dead teenage body will be attributed to Trump. I live in Los Angeles and know many people. I can count on one hand the number of people that aren't supporting these riots. I mean, "Burn Baby Burn" support. They WANT it to continue, because they think it will damage Trump. Many are gleeful. Laughing. Hundreds of people I KNOW, want these to continue. It's right there on their social media. I don’t blame Trump for this and any sane person wouldn’t but it’s worth pointing out Trump himself blamed Obama while he was in office for some riots. There’s a tweet out there that says in effect ‘because of lack of leadership’. 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said: this is in Florida: Scumbags.
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I am certain there are people who will disagree. I do not. There is a chain of command in place, and the feds are last, not first. The mayors have to allow the police to act and not stand down, and then the governors have state police and state national guard. Once those avenues have been exhausted without success, then the feds come in. 7 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ALF said: zay @zayjones11 · 16h i was just at a local home goods store w/ my cousin getting furniture for my place when an elderly white woman approached me at the check out counter. she looked at me w/ tears in her eyes... & then said “i’m from Minneapolis & I just want you to know “you matter to me.” The heartfelt words hit Zay right in the chest...he fumbled with them for a few seconds and ultimately let them slide right through his fingers? Edited May 31, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes 5
Justice Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home. Racist MFers. People need to avoid these situations. It’s way too dangerous out there.
IDBillzFan Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: And for those of you that will say “if he only had a gun.......” If you’re worried about being chased and attacked and will carry a gun just in case that happens? I give you the same message I give to those worried about the virus. Stay home. What if you're protecting your business from the looters? What if you're on your last leg because of COVID,. and you and your friends grab some guns and stand outside your business to protect it? You good with that, or should they stay away? Edited May 31, 2020 by IDBillzFan 2 1
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Soon, state and local governments will want bailouts for this too. The bigger the mess, the bigger the bailout. Not much incentive to prevent catastrophe anymore. It's a profitable business model. Not for us of course, but that is the point after all. At least the bankers are safe. Always have been, always will. 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 The police and protesters are both in the wrong. What happened to honor and peace? 1
Chef Jim Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: What if you're protecting your business from the looters? What if you're on your last leg because of COVID,. and you and your friends grab some guns and stand outside your business to protect it? You good with that, or should they stay away? We’ve been here but I’ll restate. If you’re standing outside your business armed very little good will come of it. We do not want to even come close to making a martyr out of any of these jackasses. Give me ***** but if your business is burned there is a great chance you will get the funds to rebuild. I say stay away and let bright lights shine on these *****sticks.
Sig1Hunter Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I had a question for you, being in law enforcement and seeming like a reasonable poster. I am curious, is there any internal mechanisms to deal with officers who get a little too extreme in carrying out their duty? ie fellow officers reporting heavy handedness and working within the system to help the reported officer adjust their responses before it becomes a problem? Or does it need external evidence, video or citizen complaints/charges, to precipitate internal action? TIA In my department, there are several mechanisms in place. Being a supervisor, one of my job tasks is conducting reviews of dashcam/ bodycam videos. The review is documented and flagged in the system. We also have to do periodic, random ride alongs with our subordinates. Stuff like that. Supervisors are responsible for their people, much like parents are for their kids. When issues, or the potential for issues, arise we do have resources to use to assist the officer and correct the behavior. Before I was supervisor, it was just about doing the right thing. If TYTT actually knew me, my name, and my department, a simple google search would reveal to him that I’ve been involved in the arrest of off duty police officers breaking the law, as well as outing bad cops misbehaving on duty. He’s right that the system relies heavily upon the ethics and morality of rank and file cops. The vast, vast majority of cops fall into this category. In my experience, the majority of agencies are ready and willing to dole out punishment to cops doing things they shouldn’t be. Unfortunately for people like TYTT, this rarely results in the public hanging of those police officers. Cops are punished, paper trails do exist, and those paper trails are public record for those who know how to search them (it isn’t hard). 2 5
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: What did he do to get chased down? Of course you don’t know. Did he deserve it? Who knows but advocating shooting someone does not make you a tough guy. IMO it makes you an idiot and a HUGE part of the problem. Riiiiight. What possible justification does a pack of thugs have to beat a guy senseless? 1
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Judging by these riots, I'd say one good thing has occurred. The pandemic must be over. Do we get released from house arrest yet, or do we have to riot too? 2 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: In my department, there are several mechanisms in place. Being a supervisor, one of my job tasks is conducting reviews of dashcam/ bodycam videos. The review is documented and flagged in the system. We also have to do periodic, random ride alongs with our subordinates. Stuff like that. Supervisors are responsible for their people, much like parents are for their kids. When issues, or the potential for issues, arise we do have resources to use to assist the officer and correct the behavior. Before I was supervisor, it was just about doing the right thing. If TYTT actually knew me, my name, and my department, a simple google search would reveal to him that I’ve been involved in the arrest of off duty police officers breaking the law, as well as outing bad cops misbehaving on duty. He’s right that the system relies heavily upon the ethics and morality of rank and file cops. The vast, vast majority of cops fall into this category. In my experience, the majority of agencies are ready and willing to dole out punishment to cops doing things they shouldn’t be. Unfortunately for people like TYTT, this rarely results in the public hanging of those police officers. Cops are punished, paper trails do exist, and those paper trails are public record for those who know how to search them (it isn’t hard). Keep safe out there man. Know lots of police here in rural town all pretty nice. Go to bars used to have couple beers with them. When I see them at the bar. They drive me back home when not working. Good people. Lots would never hurt people do the things whats right. 1
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Riiiiight. What possible justification does a pack of thugs have to beat a guy senseless? The police were right there to serve and protect.
IDBillzFan Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: We’ve been here but I’ll restate. If you’re standing outside your business armed very little good will come of it. We do not want to even come close to making a martyr out of any of these jackasses. Give me ***** but if your business is burned there is a great chance you will get the funds to rebuild. I say stay away and let bright lights shine on these *****sticks. It's just a choice, so I have no reason to give you ****. What I do know is that if my company was under attack by a bunch of hired thugs, every one of my employees would be armed and by my side to protect it, and it has little do with much of anything other than standing up for what we've built and letting everyone know we will not just let anyone destroy it just to avoid a bad scene. Sixteen years we've been sacrificing and building this company for everyone and their families. Most of us have been together for 25 years. No one gets to destroy our company based on the great chance I'll get funds to rebuild it. But again, it's a choice I make as a small business owner. You would choose to let it go. Just a different choice. 6
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, Reality Check said: Soon, state and local governments will want bailouts for this too. The bigger the mess, the bigger the bailout. Not much incentive to prevent catastrophe anymore. It's a profitable business model. Not for us of course, but that is the point after all. At least the bankers are safe. Always have been, always will. If the feds (finally) say no to more money, does that mean the next time this happens mayors will not have police stand down?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 41 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Good. I hope she rots. And wastes taxpayer dollars in the process. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 33 police officers were injured there last night, 47 vehicles damaged/destroyed. But hey, a "light touch" is the perfect solution! Edited May 31, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 4
Reality Check Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: If the feds (finally) say no to more money, does that mean the next time this happens mayors will not have police stand down? Among the current crop of mayors, who knows, but perhaps elections would have better consequences with less free money floating around to clean up the mess of so many apathetic people living with latent sociopathy in their neighborhoods. I still have hope. 1
B-Man Posted May 31, 2020 Author Posted May 31, 2020 Mayor Moron Destroys America’s Major Cities by John C. Wohlstetter Original Article Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. — Willian Butler Yeats, “The Second Coming” Can you make this stuff up? Here is the city’s message in full, issued May 28, after several days/nights of rioting. Here is the final sentence: The city urges everyone to exercise caution and stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19. More at the link: 1
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