JohnC Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 I think we have to be careful about judging coaching. A couple years ago, Kubiak was chopped liver. His teams in Houston were inconsistent, etc. The success of coaching isn't built on novel concepts or genius. All these coaches are pretty smart guys. The coach who can get his team to execute his philosophy/plan most consistently is the guy who wins. A lot of the time, that will come down to some extra special performances (see Von Miller in the AFC Championship and Super Bowl) or some freak bounces (like fumbles in the SB). You can't capture that "magic" in a bottle, so the coach who moves forward with consistency and the organization which values continuity will be most inclined toward success. Less waste will be expended on changes along the way. More energy can be invested in the finer details which the coach notices, but cannot communicate to players due to limited practices, etc. Buffalo will begin to reap more benefit from our coaching staff in the coming year. I would be shocked if we do not have a top 10 offense AND defense this coming year. Before coming to Buffalo Rex Ryan had a six year stint in NY. He had a losing record. His last year there he coached a four win team. His first year in Buffalo was less than stellar. It is not unreasonable to say that the team underachieved. I have enough information to make a a fair judgment. The coach the Bills hired is the coach they got. That is very disappointing. . In Texas there is a saying regarding flamboyant talkers who don't produce: Big hat-- No cattle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 There are pretty much two ways to win a championship. A fantastic offense (with just enough D) or a dominant D (with just enough O.) You're not winning being pretty good on both sides of the ball. Given that to have a fantastic offense you pretty much need a HoF type QB the only way to win without that QB is with a dominant D. Until the Bills get that upper echelon QB they need to keep building their team based on D. It's the only chance they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 There are pretty much two ways to win a championship. A fantastic offense (with just enough D) or a dominant D (with just enough O.) You're not winning being pretty good on both sides of the ball. Given that to have a fantastic offense you pretty much need a HoF type QB the only way to win without that QB is with a dominant D. Until the Bills get that upper echelon QB they need to keep building their team based on D. It's the only chance they have. Except that Baltimore won the Superbowl in '12-'13 by being solid on both sides without being spectacular on either. They were 10th in offense (both yards and scoring) and 12th in scoring defense (17th in yards allowed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. The real pretending is pretending the Bills talent on defense is in the same area code as the talent on the Denver defense. Just as far away, as Tyrod is from Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The real pretending is pretending the Bills talent on defense is in the same area code as the talent on the Denver defense. Just as far away, as Tyrod is from Brady. The biggest difference is at the safety position. Beyond that it's actually pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsguy Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. You can only say that one factor wins championships if you can control for all the other variables and then do the applicable statistical analysis for signficance. Since this is impossible, the argument is moot. These simplistic arguments like "defense wins championships" or "you need a franchise QB to win" or whatever "fill in the blank" you want are pointless and fruitless arguments best left for people with nothing better to do with their lives. The best you can say is that defense, offense and special teams are important. How do you like that as another useless topic? Maybe someone will start another thread about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. The #1 offense has been in 23 Superbowls compared to 12 for the #1 defense. I'll take that all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 (edited) Except that Baltimore won the Superbowl in '12-'13 by being solid on both sides without being spectacular on either. They were 10th in offense (both yards and scoring) and 12th in scoring defense (17th in yards allowed) True, but there is the Flacco factor at work there. You know, the mathematical equation which states hes a bottom rung QB during the regular seasn but a fist ballot HoFer during the playoffs. Edited February 8, 2016 by MDH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 If next year the Bills had the choice of Brady, Rothesberger, Newton, or Rodgers as their QB, OR the number 1 defense, which would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) If next year the Bills had the choice of Brady, Rothesberger, Newton, or Rodgers as their QB, OR the number 1 defense, which would you choose? The number 1 defense. Because that would likely mean they'd be even better than the Broncos, who were in the top 10 all time this year. Top 10 all time defense - I like my Super Bowl chances. Edited February 9, 2016 by Georgia Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The biggest difference is at the safety position. Beyond that it's actually pretty close. ? The edge rushers Ware and Miller are superior, and the Denver LBs are better, It is also debatable our corners are as good. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 ? The edge rushers Ware and Miller are superior, and the Denver LBs are better, It is also debatable our corners are as good. JMO Not to mention the enormous advantage the Broncos have at Defensive Coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The number #1 defense is now 10-2 in the Superbowl with the only losses were last year Seattle lost to New England which was a fluke and the 1982 Dolphins in a Strike shortened year. I get so tired of listening to the "football experts" like the losers on WGR that say this is now a "passing" league. Would you consider either team last night a "passing team". This goes to show you that if Rex can give the Bills the defense we expect We can win this thing. Agree but I dont have much confidence in Rex after being a Bills Giants and jets fan for over 16 years.Especially after last season, and if Mario Williams goes to NE.....well im gonna be pissed. and we can mark 2 losses off the bat again before the season starts cuz Supa will play with a vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Before coming to Buffalo Rex Ryan had a six year stint in NY. He had a losing record. His last year there he coached a four win team. His first year in Buffalo was less than stellar. It is not unreasonable to say that the team underachieved. I have enough information to make a a fair judgment. The coach the Bills hired is the coach they got. That is very disappointing. . In Texas there is a saying regarding flamboyant talkers who don't produce: Big hat-- No cattle! Ima Bills, Giants and jets fan. as soon as I heard the news i was pissed and totally void of hope. then I saw the off season moves and Tyrod and got hope.....then week 1.....then week 2....then week 3...then after the Giants game and players complaining about the scheme i was like !@#$. same old rex bull **** were done until hes fired. The real pretending is pretending the Bills talent on defense is in the same area code as the talent on the Denver defense. Just as far away, as Tyrod is from Brady. Agree with what your saying but statistically Tyrod had a better 1st starting year with a worse team then Brady did with a Pats* team full of stars.(look it up). unfortunately Buffalo isnt Boston and we dont cheat or have an extremely professional football system or a competent HC/DC. If next year the Bills had the choice of Brady, Rothesberger, Newton, or Rodgers as their QB, OR the number 1 defense, which would you choose? #1 defense. EASY choice. ? The edge rushers Ware and Miller are superior, and the Denver LBs are better, It is also debatable our corners are as good. JMO They are much better coached. the LBs and Safteys are leagues above ours, and their Robey is better then ours. and I like our Robey he just had an down season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 How many times has the #1 defense not even made the super bowl? Ha! I was waiting for someone to ask that question. Good catch - er, so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 If next year the Bills had the choice of Brady, Rothesberger, Newton, or Rodgers as their QB, OR the number 1 defense, which would you choose? Considering the chances of the #1 defense not even making it to the superbowl, versus the likelihood of doing so with one of the elite QBs, I would without thinking twice, choose Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Profitspro Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Great defences do win superbowls, just a pity our brain trust saw the wisdom of trying to do it on offence last year, and what did it get us 8/8. What if we spent resources getting a stud linebacker in free agency not a running back in McCoy, another dominant stud in the secondary not Charles Clay, another dominant linesman not Percy Harvin. My opinion is that we would be no worse than 8/8, but would have had the nucleus of a championship calibre defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Not Rex's defense. I think if we kept Schwartz's D we could have gone toe to toe with Denver and won the AFC East. If next year the Bills had the choice of Brady, Rothesberger, Newton, or Rodgers as their QB, OR the number 1 defense, which would you choose? Defense over Brady, he's getting old. I'd take Ben, Newton or Rodgers with our O and the #2 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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