Chef Jim Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 "Smarter than birddog" is hardly a compliment. And he can discuss things honestly because he pretty much knows, by his own admission, that he's not too bright. And DC Tom with a fantastic glove save! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Three times nothing is still nothing, you erudite and intelligent poster that we are fortunate to have here From PPP, the flash apparently official: DC Tom has complimented somebody at 4:13 p.m. Central Standard Time, 5:13 Eastern Standard Time Not so hasty, being smarter than Birdog is not necessarily a compliment. Would you consider being told you were smarter than gator a compliment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Case in point: If we are to believe that there are REAL Muslims, and that the people above are not, then the history of the Hagia Sophia bolsters that claim. For the ignorant... The REAL Muslims back in the day did not destroy the Christian monument. They did not remove it, even though it was highly offensive to them. No. The REAL Muslims valued history, and items of historical significance. They converted it to a Mosque. Today, it's a museum. That's because Turkey is a REAL Muslim country. Meanwhile, we have the non-Real Muslims behaving above....as all totalitarians do. Perhaps birdog should ask himself which side he wants to choose? The enlighted side which cares for historical items, or, the totalitarian(in this case totalitarian PC) side, which wants to destroy anything they find offensive? Unfortunately, the barbarous antics we witness today are also Moslem. To that extent Ted Cruz is right. The reason we can say that is because its really nothing new and it continous to have influence today outside of Syria. In the 13th century the House of Saud aligned itself with Wahabism and thats what allowed it to consolidate its hold on the Arabian peninsula. That partnership is still very much in place. Its also true that Moslems as conquerors, Arabs and Turks, have been much more tolerant of non-believer minorities than Christians. At the time of the real Caliphate they were also at the helm of one of the most powerful civilizing influences in human history. Arab moslems were commenting authoritatively on the works of Aristotle when Europeans were living in caves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Bulldozing Monuments and the War on American History Editor’s Note: The following is a debate with Timothy Sandefur of the Pacific Legal Foundation over the New Orleans City Council’s December 17, 2015 decision to remove four monuments relating to the Confederacy. Read Sandefur’s article here. On December 17, the New Orleans City Council voted to remove four Confederate statues from the city, using obscure “nuisance” laws to strip these over 100-year-old historic monuments from their places of display. Mayor Mitch Landrieu said it was a “courageous decision to turn a page on our divisive past and chart the course for a more inclusive future.” Of course, the plan to remove the statues is itself divisive as a number of preservation organizations have filed lawsuits to save the monuments. The New Orleans statues to be removed are of General Robert E. Lee, General P.G.T. Beauregard, and Confederate President Jefferson Davis. The city will also remove an “obelisk dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place” according to CNN. The Lee and Beauregard statues are on the National Register of Historic Places. The most controversial of the monuments on the chopping block is the Battle of Liberty Place monument—dedicated to a Democratic white supremacist paramilitary group that fought the state and federal government during Reconstruction. But an adjacent commemoration was constructed in 1974, which states, “Although the ‘battle of Liberty Place’ and this monument are important parts of the New Orleans history, the sentiments in favor of white supremacy expressed thereon are contrary to the philosophy and beliefs of present-day New Orleans.” More at the link: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/11/new-orleans-confederate-monuments-should-be-preserved-not-demolished/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Bulldozing Monuments and the War on American History Editor’s Note: The following is a debate with Timothy Sandefur of the Pacific Legal Foundation over the New Orleans City Council’s December 17, 2015 decision to remove four monuments relating to the Confederacy. Read Sandefur’s article here. On December 17, the New Orleans City Council voted to remove four Confederate statues from the city, using obscure “nuisance” laws to strip these over 100-year-old historic monuments from their places of display. Mayor Mitch Landrieu said it was a “courageous decision to turn a page on our divisive past and chart the course for a more inclusive future.” Of course, the plan to remove the statues is itself divisive as a number of preservation organizations have filed lawsuits to save the monuments. The New Orleans statues to be removed are of General Robert E. Lee, General P.G.T. Beauregard, and Confederate President Jefferson Davis. The city will also remove an “obelisk dedicated to the Battle of Liberty Place” according to CNN. The Lee and Beauregard statues are on the National Register of Historic Places. The most controversial of the monuments on the chopping block is the Battle of Liberty Place monument—dedicated to a Democratic white supremacist paramilitary group that fought the state and federal government during Reconstruction. But an adjacent commemoration was constructed in 1974, which states, “Although the ‘battle of Liberty Place’ and this monument are important parts of the New Orleans history, the sentiments in favor of white supremacy expressed thereon are contrary to the philosophy and beliefs of present-day New Orleans.” More at the link: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/11/new-orleans-confederate-monuments-should-be-preserved-not-demolished/ Dont have any time for white supremecists, but General Lee is without doubt one of the greatest of American commanders and a man of impeccable character. It might be nice if reality were cut and dried, but, for better or for worse, it is complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Dont have any time for white supremecists, but General Lee is without doubt one of the greatest of American commanders and a man of impeccable character. It might be nice if reality were cut and dried, but, for better or for worse, it is complex. Still a traitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Yes, there are azzholes on PPP who live to hurl insults without substance.... For the record I always hurl insults with substance. First because I don't really see the point of doing the above, second, because substantive insults do 5x the damage, as well as splash damage other posters who are on the same side as the target. And, as always, doing PPP right is winning the argument on the merits, or driving a solid point home, then hurling insults, not the other way around. Also, it's not really a win/point if you don't follow it up with insults. Dont have any time for white supremecists, but General Lee is without doubt one of the greatest of American commanders and a man of impeccable character. It might be nice if reality were cut and dried, but, for better or for worse, it is complex. Reality/right now is complex, thus a continuous record of right nows, otherwise known as history, must also, by definition, be complex. Complexity: Robert E. Lee did a fine job of improving standards and practices in college education, as well as using his position as a uninversity president to heal the wounds of the Civil War. He set an example that many subsequent university presidents followed, and follow to this day....at Washington College. He did so well that it is now known as Washington and Lee...and graduating from there is just as good in the business world as graduating from Harvard. If Lee had never led the Army of Northern Virginia, every(truly educated) leftist D-bag in the the country would eternally praise Lee , because the man was one of the first true "progressives" in education: Arguably Lee's finest achievement was transforming a small, not particularly distinguished Latin academy into a forward-looking institution of higher education. He established the first journalism courses (which were limited and only lasted several years),[12] and he added both engineering courses and a business school and a law school to the college curriculum, under the conviction that those occupations should be intimately and inextricably linked with the liberal arts. That was a radical idea: engineering, journalism, and law had always been considered technical crafts, not intellectual endeavors, and the study of business was viewed with skepticism. Lee was also the father of an honor system and a speaking tradition at Washington College that continue to the present time. And, ardent about restoring national unity, he successfully recruited students from throughout the reunited nation, North and South. Staus check: Have we heard from birdog on the substance of why he thinks a guy who says "monuments have no educational value" is worth attending, or how in blazes that statement does not summarily disqualify him as an historical expert? Edited January 13, 2016 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) The most controversial of the monuments on the chopping block is the Battle of Liberty Place monument—dedicated to a Democratic white supremacist paramilitary group that fought the state and federal government during Reconstruction. But an adjacent commemoration was constructed in 1974, which states, “Although the ‘battle of Liberty Place’ and this monument are important parts of the New Orleans history, the sentiments in favor of white supremacy expressed thereon are contrary to the philosophy and beliefs of present-day New Orleans.” Ah, so my "build another monument" idea isn't original. I figured as much. Something that makes so much sense, as opposed to tearing down monuments, is likely to have been thought of by somebody else, a long time ago. Edited January 13, 2016 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Still a traitor No, not IMO. Back then his "country" was Virginia. He is a citizen now after all (as a technical matter) and it is known as the "American" Civil War. I can understand African Americans not looking past the politics of the day in considering him. Its a lot to ask and perhaps too much. Speaking as a foreigner we see him as one of your great men in spite of all. He and Grant (and some others who participated in that conflict, it being one of the most important in world history) are giants, and not just of their day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 No, not IMO. Back then his "country" was Virginia. He is a citizen now after all (as a technical matter) and it is known as the "American" Civil War. I can understand African Americans not looking past the politics of the day in considering him. Its a lot to ask and perhaps too much. Speaking as a foreigner we see him as one of your great men in spite of all. He and Grant (and some others who participated in that conflict, it being one of the most important in world history) are giants, and not just of their day. Virginia killed John Brown as a traitor, but I see him as a better man than Lee who left the service of our country to try and destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Virginia killed John Brown as a traitor, but I see him as a better man than Lee who left the service of our country to try and destroy it. The Confederacy tried to destroy the north? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Virginia killed John Brown as a traitor, but I see him as a better man than Lee who left the service of our country to try and destroy it. Unsurprisingly, your understanding of history is as well rounded as that ass atop your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 The Confederacy tried to destroy the north? The United States. At least you made yourself laugh. Bottom feeders seem to be good at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiberius Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 You ok, bro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Virginia killed John Brown as a traitor, but I see him as a better man than Lee who left the service of our country to try and destroy it. I think I understand your point of view, but, with respect, IMO it is too narrow a focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think I understand your point of view, but, with respect, IMO it is too narrow a focus. That's because he's only here to troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I think I understand your point of view, but, with respect, IMO it is too narrow a focus. Point of note: there is no need to respect gatorman. He is, by far, the dumbest poster here, and has earned the bipartisan contempt of everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2016 Author Share Posted January 13, 2016 Point of note: there is no need to respect gatorman. He is, by far, the dumbest poster here, and has earned the bipartisan contempt of everyone. Wells Fargo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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