Chef Jim Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 No I'm serious. Read a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 South Carolina The cauldron of slavery, South Carolina, led the charge for secession. You're wrong and an asshat. Imagine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 And the "ban gatorman" movement picks up steam among the peasantry I'm stating an obvious fact. If you think that is a "ban gator" attempt then you are basically admitting your worthlessness here. Other than being an object of ridicule, what do you bring to this board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 No I'm serious. Read a book. I'm reading one on Peter the Great now. I've probably read over three thousand history books in my life. You? I'm also going to make a pizza this weekend The cauldron of slavery, South Carolina, led the charge for secession. You're wrong and an asshat. Imagine that. Yes, the majority of people there were slaves The majority of people in the South were against secession I'm stating an obvious fact. If you think that is a "ban gator" attempt then you are basically admitting your worthlessness here. Other than being an object of ridicule, what do you bring to this board? I sure reply to a lot of people asking me questions. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm reading one on Peter the Great now. I've probably read over three thousand history books in my life. You? I'm proud of you. I suggest you read the one about Lee again. gator and birdog. Displaying on a daily basis that being well read does not equate to being smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm proud of you. I suggest you read the one about Lee again. gator and birdog. Displaying on a daily basis that being well read does not equate to being smart. What am I suppose to learn there buddy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 You're incorrect and making yourself look even more foolish than usual, which is a feat. The 1860 census showed it was nearly 2-1 non slave to slave. Even if those numbers were skewed (and they more than likely were), there was NOT a majority slave population in South Carolina in 1860. Imagine that, someone who's so willfully ignorant of history is wrong, again, about history. Wonders never cease. http://www.sciway.net/afam/slavery/population.html Slaves out numbered non-slaves. Ok, yes I know yours and Tom's answers already: 1) I'm reading it wrong 2) I don't understand numbers 3) Change subject to something like Wells Fargo 4) When all that fails, "Ban Gatorman)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Yes, the majority of people there were slaves The majority of people in the South were against secession I'm this for misreading the census data on the fly: South Carolina voted unanimously to secede from the Union. South Carolina DID have a majority of slaves as did Mississippi, the south did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 http://www.sciway.net/afam/slavery/population.html Slaves out numbered non-slaves. Ok, yes I know yours and Tom's answers already: 1) I'm reading it wrong 2) I don't understand numbers 3) Change subject to something like Wells Fargo 4) When all that fails, "Ban Gatorman)! No, the site's wrong. That's the proportions of whites and blacks. It is NOT the proportion of slaves and free men. Here's the data, if you want to learn something: http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/1860a-02.pdf I'm this for misreading the census data on the fly: South Carolina voted unanimously to secede from the Union. South Carolina DID have a majority of slaves as did Mississippi, the south did not. His assumption also being that slaves were against secession. Not necessarily true. His assumption also being that all blacks were slaves. Which was definitely not true. In fact, somewhere around 20% of blacks in South Carolina were free (extrapolating from the Charleston, SC census data - which is admittedly a bad extrapolation, but the best I have)...so gatortard's simplistic "whites vs. blacks" ratio of 291k to 412k would represent a "free vs. slave" ratio closer to 374k vs. 330k. And some 40% of free blacks were slaveholders themselves. Anyone want to guess how they'd lean in a secession vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 His assumption also being that slaves were against secession. Not necessarily true. His assumption also being that all blacks were slaves. Which was definitely not true. In fact, somewhere around 20% of blacks in South Carolina were free (extrapolating from the Charleston, SC census data - which is admittedly a bad extrapolation, but the best I have)...so gatortard's simplistic "whites vs. blacks" ratio of 291k to 412k would represent a "free vs. slave" ratio closer to 374k vs. 330k. And some 40% of free blacks were slaveholders themselves. Anyone want to guess how they'd lean in a secession vote? Agreed, however I had to own up to my first reaction. I misread the census data on my phone while driving into work. Unlike Gator, I'm willing to admit when I fukk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Agreed, however I had to own up to my first reaction. I misread the census data on my phone while driving into work. Unlike Gator, I'm willing to admit when I fukk up. Gator doesn't !@#$ up. He's just an idiot. You have to comprehend the concept of the existence of other points of view to !@#$ up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Gator doesn't !@#$ up. He's just an idiot. You have to comprehend the concept of the existence of other points of view to !@#$ up. :lol: True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 I'm reading one on Peter the Great now. I've probably read over three thousand history books in my life. You? I'm also going to make a pizza this weekend Yes, the majority of people there were slaves The majority of people in the South were against secession I sure reply to a lot of people asking me questions. You? I generally ignore your gibberish. The questions you are being asked tend to be designed to highlight your ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 The questions you are being asked tend to be designed to highlight your ignorance. You'd think he would have caught on to that by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 http://www.sciway.net/afam/slavery/population.html Slaves out numbered non-slaves. Ok, yes I know yours and Tom's answers already: 1) I'm reading it wrong 2) I don't understand numbers 3) Change subject to something like Wells Fargo 4) When all that fails, "Ban Gatorman)! Oops! I forgot one 1a) The link is incorrect! No, the link is right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 His assumption also being that slaves were against secession. Not necessarily true. His assumption also being that all blacks were slaves. Which was definitely not true. In fact, somewhere around 20% of blacks in South Carolina were free (extrapolating from the Charleston, SC census data - which is admittedly a bad extrapolation, but the best I have)...so gatortard's simplistic "whites vs. blacks" ratio of 291k to 412k would represent a "free vs. slave" ratio closer to 374k vs. 330k. And some 40% of free blacks were slaveholders themselves. Anyone want to guess how they'd lean in a secession vote? Wow, what must it be like to live in Tom world Even if your nonsense was correct, if the whites against secession were combined with the slave population the majority of people in the south were against secession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Oops! I forgot one 1a) The link is incorrect! No, the link is right Read the census data I linked to, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 Read the census data I linked to, dumbass. I did, and I am still right. And you are still wrong. Yet again. Yawn. Getting board grabbing you by back of neck and rubbing your nose in the poo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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