A Few Thoughts About The Game, in no particular order.....

[26CornerBlitz]

I thought the taunting penalty was on Boobie. Unless you're talking about a different one. Your point stands either way.

 

It was Boobie.

[Virgil]

THE PLAYERS

Jesus Christ does nobody on this board have a !@#$ing clue about accountability?

 

Yes, and it falls on the people who hold them accountable. I've worked in many a jobs and the most disorganized places have the least disciplined leadership.

 

I understand that it's the players making the mistakes. But it's because they either get caught up in emotion, lack or respect for the result, or have no fear or retribution. That all comes from the coaching.

[26CornerBlitz]

Woods had a really good game today and I think he stepped up with Clay injured.

[Observer]

THE PLAYERS

Jesus Christ does nobody on this board have a !@#$ing clue about accountability?

 

Who do you think commits the penalties Einstein?

 

But it's the coach who instills or doesn't instill discipline

 

Rex will give them all a big hug after the game.

 

If it was one game of penalties, I'd be madder at the players. When it's a season of undisciplined play, I blame the coach.

 

And when the defense goes from best to worst under the guidance of the head coach, I'll go ahead and blame the coach too. I'm going to guess MArio Williams doesn't want to drop into coverage.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Observer

[The Big Cat]

 

Who do you think commits the penalties Einstein?

Players

[BuffaninATL]

I think we're stuck with Rex. If this season doesn't cause him to look in the mirror and change some things nothing will.

 

sorry brother, a leopard doesn't change its stripes. Rex is Rex.

[The Big Cat]

 

Yes, and it falls on the people who hold them accountable. I've worked in many a jobs and the most disorganized places have the least disciplined leadership.

 

I understand that it's the players making the mistakes. But it's because they either get caught up in emotion, lack or respect for the result, or have no fear or retribution. That all comes from the coaching.

Then by all means let's get a micro managing hard ass like Marrone to coach this team.

 

Who do you think commits the penalties Einstein?

 

But it's the coach who instills or doesn't instill discipline

 

Rex will give them all a big hug after the game.

 

If it was one game of penalties, I'd be madder at the players. When it's a season of undisciplined play, I blame the coach.

 

And when the defense goes from best to worst under the guidance of the head coach, I'll go ahead and blame the coach too. I'm going to guess MArio Williams doesn't want to drop into coverage.

!@#$ Mario Williams. Nobody in Houston lost sleep when their first overall pick bounced, Buffalo won't be any different.

 

May be you can help us all understand what sort of guidance multi million dollar twenty year olds need.

 

Horse ****. Players make plays.

[BADOLBILZ]

I was at the game too. Coaching didn't lose this 3 point contest. You will not convince me otherwise.

 

 

And that's a prime example of why your takes are usually wrong.

 

Even when you diss Spiller.......who does suck........you are wrong because you think it's a physical issue.

 

Undisciplined football combined with calling plays and running schemes that your players can't execute is about coaching. As is displaying mental toughness needed to win close games against teams you should beat.

[The Big Cat]

 

 

And that's a prime example of why your takes are usually wrong.

 

Even when you diss Spiller.......who does suck........you are wrong because you think it's a physical issue.

 

Undisciplined football combined with calling plays and running schemes that your players can't execute is about coaching. As is displaying mental toughness needed to win close games against teams you should beat.

Lol okay

 

I've been consistently wrong...about Spiller.

 

Yep

!@#$ it lets blow the whole !@#$ing thing up

 

 

Yep that works

[Greybeard]

The ref who tried to make an out of bounds call on the Wadkins touchdown should be fired. He either did not see the play, alhtough he was standing right there, and thought Wadkins was out of bound so made that call or he saw the play and actually thought Wadkins' foot was out of bounds, even though it was 10 inches inbounds. In either case he should not be an NFL ref.

 

 

I can see throwing a long pass at 2nd and 3, but I really can't see doing it a second time immediately after that at 3rd and 2.

[jeffismagic]

The two most penalized teams in the NFL last year made the Superbowl. New England and Seattle.

 

I sometimes wonder if people watch other NFL games. Rex certainly shares some blame as does Roman because of the complexity of their schemes.

[RevWarRifleman]

Well that's what I was trying to say. Players say they love Rex, but he is costing them wins. There has to at least be more of a balance.

 

I used to teach high school math. And I was the kids' favorite because I related to them, made jokes, etc. But eventually all the little stoppages in instruction led to more unruly behavior and lower test scores.

I can relate to this, only with teaching history, though.

[Bill from NYC]

Jesus Christ does nobody on this board have a !@#$ing clue about accountability?

I do, but the Bills players have nobody to answer to. They are THE most penalized team right? They must not care what Rex thinks.

 

It would be hard under any conditions watching Rex destroy the team. The fact that we had to listen to his grandiose claims how he was going to make us a "bully" that other teams would not want to play makes him that much harder to bear.

 

Imo Rex Ryan is a Jauron type loser except he has a big mouth. At least with Jauron we could lose in peace.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Bill from NYC

[The Big Cat]

 

I do, but the Bills players have nobody to answer to. They are THE most penalized team right? They must not care what Rex thinks.

 

It would be hard under any conditions watching Rex destroy the team. The fact that we had to listen to his grandiose claims how he was going to make us a "bully" that other teams would not want to play makes him that much harder to bear.

 

Imo Rex Ryan is a Jauron type loser except he has a big mouth. At least with Jauron we could lose in peace.[/quote.]

 

Players make plays

[Captain_Quint]

Woods had a really good game today and I think he stepped up with Clay injured.

It funny. Woods steps up when he needs to. However, he doesnt step up when he should otherwise.

[BADOLBILZ]

Then by all means let's get a micro managing hard ass like Marrone to coach this team.

 

!@#$ Mario Williams. Nobody in Houston lost sleep when their first overall pick bounced, Buffalo won't be any different.

 

May be you can help us all understand what sort of guidance multi million dollar twenty year olds need.

 

Horse ****. Players make plays.

 

BTW, the Texans didn't lose sleep over Mario because they thought they had some future double digit sack guys in the wings behind him.

 

That failed.

 

They ended up using a #1 overall pick on Jadeveon Clowney to replace Mario as a bookend to JJ Watt.

 

Just like the McCoy deal money was the most important factor.

 

As for your take in this thread.......I think some people on here obviously work in environments where leadership above them isn't as critical to day to day production as it is in an NFL locker room.

 

The NFL is a grind and the depth chart nature of the business means that the people above really need to keep A LOT of order.

 

It's not easy to keep guys on point when personnel are constantly coming and going whether via transactions or injury.

 

So saying it's just "on the players" discounts the fact that personnel is very fluid and initiation/training time is very short so what needs to be consistent is the organizational message so that personnel can step in and know exactly what is expected of them.

[The Big Cat]

 

BTW, the Texans didn't lose sleep over Mario because they thought they had some future double digit sack guys in the wings behind him.

 

That failed.

 

They ended up using a #1 overall pick on Jadeveon Clowney to replace Mario as a bookend to JJ Watt.

 

Just like the McCoy deal money was the most important factor.

 

As for your take in this thread.......I think some people on here obviously work in environments where leadership above them isn't as critical to day to day production as it is in an NFL locker room.

 

The NFL is a grind and the depth chart nature of the business means that the people above really need to keep A LOT of order.

 

It's not easy to keep guys on point when personnel are constantly coming and going whether via transactions or injury.

 

So saying it's just "on the players" discounts the fact that personnel is very fluid and initiation/training time is very short so what needs to be consistent is the organizational message so that personnel can step in and know exactly what is expected of them.

A great argument for comtuinity

[JohnC]

I do, but the Bills players have nobody to answer to. They are THE most penalized team right? They must not care what Rex thinks.

 

It would be hard under any conditions watching Rex destroy the team. The fact that we had to listen to his grandiose claims how he was going to make us a "bully" that other teams would not want to play makes him that much harder to bear.

 

Imo Rex Ryan is a Jauron type loser except he has a big mouth. At least with Jauron we could lose in peace.

There are some people in the audience who don't understand how important the HC is in the NFL. It is the coach who sets the tone and creates the environment that allows the players to prosper or struggle. Without wasting time discussing schemes the primary responsibility is to put his players in the best position to succeed. Anyone who believes that RR wasn't instrumental in the dramatic regression of our defense is not being realistic. It is stunning to me to see what happened to this defense. It is like seeing someone wearing a tux with white socks and brown shoes. It's a bad fit that is starkly evident to everyone.

 

What is revealing about the caliber of RR's coaching talent is not how he has mangled his job in his first year with the Bills. The before and after measuring stick is the the team he left in shambles in NY. When he got fired they were a four win team. Now they are 8-5 with a very good probability they will be in the playoffs this year. Oh by the way Ftiz is their starting qb.

 

Rex is going to be the HC next season. That is bad enough. My biggest fear is that this buffoon will have more authority in personnel decisions in order to refashion a roster that better suits him. If you think he has set this franchise back with his coaching approach you will be more demoralized with him being more active in selecting the players.

[Boatdrinks]

 

Yes, and it falls on the people who hold them accountable. I've worked in many a jobs and the most disorganized places have the least disciplined leadership.

 

I understand that it's the players making the mistakes. But it's because they either get caught up in emotion, lack or respect for the result, or have no fear or retribution. That all comes from the coaching.

Does it? Hughes got plenty of PI calls under Marrone. You just can't compare it to the business world as it's a reverse situation. Except for players on the fringes of the roster, the players have the power because they are the talent. They make more than their " bosses" and will be given another chance by another " company" if cut. So it's not a good argument. There really isn't any retribution possible because the coaches know they need the top talent to win. If they know they have a top QB and a real chance to win, they will be accountable to each other. It's a lot easier for a Belichick to get all his guys to " buy in" as the players expect to win. The Bills really don't expect to win, regardless of what they say.

[jeffismagic]

There are some people in the audience who don't understand how important the HC is in the NFL. It is the coach who sets the tone and creates the environment that allows the players to prosper or struggle. Without wasting time discussing schemes the primary responsibility is to put his players in the best position to succeed. Anyone who believes that RR wasn't instrumental in the dramatic regression of our defense is not being realistic. It is stunning to me to see what happened to this defense. It is like seeing someone wearing a tux with white socks and brown shoes. It's a bad fit that is starkly evident to everyone.

 

What is revealing about the caliber of RR's coaching talent is not how he has mangled his job in his first year with the Bills. The before and after measuring stick is the the team he left in shambles in NY. When he got fired they were a four win team. Now they are 8-5 with a very good probability they will be in the playoffs this year. Oh by the way Ftiz is their starting qb.

 

Rex is going to be the HC next season. That is bad enough. My biggest fear is that this buffoon will have more authority in personnel decisions in order to refashion a roster that better suits him. If you think he has set this franchise back with his coaching approach you will be more demoralized with him being more active in selecting the players.

 

I think it is more complicated than defense was great and Rex broke it.

 

Mario Williams is a different player this year. He aged overnight. You see him not winning one-on-one matchups. Matchups he won last year. So take away one pro-bowler on the D line.

 

Kyle Williams hasn't been there most of the year. Take away another pro-bowler on the D line.

 

Marcel Dareus-seems to be used as an inside run stuffer by necessity. I don't know if moving him around would help but he not the force he was last year.

 

So out of the 3 pro-bowl linemen missing in various ways, only Dareus seems like a scheme change issue.

 

The Jets stuff is well-known and discussed but your take doesn't account at all for major roster changes. I said before the year started that the Jets were the most improved team by a lot.

 

 

I also think that Rex was hired because of his defense and he needs to run what he wants. He was brought here to create complex pressures on QB's and that doesn't happen as much out of a 4-3 wide nine that we ran last year. Even if Rex was adaptable (most coaches are not) and ran a 4-3 this year, age and decline in the DL would force the Bills to move to a 3-4 at some point anyway. Belichick struggled for many years when he changed his schemes in NE. People don't remember this because he had Brady to cover up some bad defenses.