B-Man Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 People Roast Trump And Then Find Out It Was Obama by Matt M. Miller Original Article People told the Daily Caller News Foundation what they thought of quotes President Donald Trump said regarding immigration, except it was actually former President Barack Obama who said them.“That is our direct message to families in central America: Do not send your children to the border. If they do make it, they’ll get sent back, more importantly, they might not make it,” Obama said in 2014.He also said in 2009, “You are gonna pay a significant fine, you are going to learn English, you are going to go to the back of the line so that you don’t get ahead of somebody applying legally, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 White House to Dems Skipping Town: Enjoy Your Vacation While the Border Crisis Rages Katie Pavlich https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/07/26/white-house-to-dems-skipping-town-enjoy-your-vacation-while-the-border-crisis-rages-n2550711 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 U.S. Supreme Court lets Trump use disputed funds for border wall The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday handed President Donald Trump a victory by letting his administration redirect $2.5 billion in money approved by Congress for the Pentagon to help build his promised wall along the U.S.-Mexico border even though lawmakers refused to provide funding. The conservative-majority court on a 5-4 vote with the court's liberals in dissent blocked in full a ruling by a federal judge in California barring the Republican president from spending the money on the basis that Congress did not specifically authorize the funds to be spent on the wall project fiercely opposed by Democrats and Mexico's government. </snip> A bit more: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeginnersMind Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Memethink. I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Memethink. I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of immigrants who don't want to make the USA like their country of origin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said: Are you trying to say that there aren't a lot of immigrants who don't want to make the USA like their country of origin? Yes, absolutely. They come here for a reason, and the reason is that here things are better, whatever the things are that they left behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeginnersMind said: Yes, absolutely. They come here for a reason, and the reason is that here things are better, whatever the things are that they left behind. https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/anti-trump-protesters-show-their-true-colors-with-mexican-flags/ But the resulting protest showed a more honest side to many within the pro-immigration movement. Brandishing Mexican flags and burning American flags sends a clear message as to which national identity the demonstrators prefer. It’s worth noting that the vast majority of the California demonstrators were young people, an ominous sign that the children of immigrants aren’t assimilating into America’s national fabric. Rather, they are keeping alive their allegiance to the country only a few miles to the south. A testament to the dramatic decline of America’s ability to assimilate recent migrants, for sure. However, the California demonstrations repudiate the notion that the American national character of abstraction can inspire new arrivals. Obviously, these anti-Trump protesters enjoy all the opportunities afforded by living in this country. They don’t appear to take issue with the American way of life; otherwise, they’d be back in Mexico. But they do favor Mexican national identity over American national identity. To them, it represents their family, their heritage and their history. America is just a place where they make money. As is always the case outside of libertarian theories, culture trumps economic concerns when it comes to issues of the heart. America as a nation-state, apparently, inspires no feelings of loyalty or attachment among these activists. And it’s not like you can blame Trump for this alienation. There’s been multiple instances of Mexican immigrants expressing their preferred national identity within the confines of the United States. In 1998 and 2011, Mexican immigrants booed the national anthem during soccer matches between the U.S. and Mexico Men’s soccer teams — that took place in the U.S. During the 2006-07 legislative debate over granting amnesty to illegal aliens, supporters of the proposal marched through several American cities proudly waving Mexican flags with hardly any American ones in sight. It should be a disturbing sight to see these kinds of demonstrations in our cities, but maybe we should expect them when our elites offer new arrivals a national character that is nothing more than a celebration of economic opportunity. Everyone believes in that, and it’s not particularly unique to the American experience. More importantly, it is not enough to bind the citizenry together in unity. Fortunately, America does have a national identity that is more than an abstraction. It’s just that our historical Anglo character is no longer in vogue among our elites and they’d rather think our country was formed out of thin air. As indicated by the displays at the anti-Trump riots, people will always choose the identity that can win over their heart. And it wasn’t “America as an idea,” which seems to only make D.C. policy wonks swoon. In the short-term, the riots will likely bolster Trump’s appeal. In the long-term, it portends to a future where millions of young people think of America with contempt as they cling to their native land and culture. Imagine our national unity in a country like that. Edited July 27, 2019 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 "Mexican-Americans" know it, but will never admit it...it's pure self-interest / tribalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Some Trump protestors and drunk soccer fans are your picture of immigrants? That’s like someone painting all Republicans as racist because of a pro Trump Klan rally or racist comments on Twitter from Trump supporters. (You’ll note how no one here, not even Tibs, floods the board with the many examples of this that are out there...when such examples survive the Twitter filter. But most posters here revel in posting stupid stuff the low level lefties post. What does that create? Division. Anger. And illusion.) Both broad brushes ignore a much better and less vocal majority. We average over a million new legal immigrants per year. Those people worked hard to get here, went the legal route, and do not want to go back to India, China, Mexico, Honduras, the Philippines, Spain, Turkey, Somalia. They are in many ways more patriotic than you and me who are only here because we drew the human lottery ticket to be born here, which was 0.000000000% in our control. You did no no work to be a citizen. Me either. I admire legal immigrants. Each generation of them has changed the country. This one will too. Maybe we will appreciate the work ethic or social and family structure they bring. Or maybe just simply the food and appreciation for America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 19 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: Memethink. I know many immigrants. None want to make America like their home countries but many do appreciate living among and visiting pockets of people living in the US (we call them neighborhoods) who share their heritage. Chinatown Japantown Koreatown Calle Ocho Little Tokyo Etc etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just now, Chef Jim said: Chinatown Japantown Koreatown Calle Ocho Little Tokyo Etc etc...... Never heard of a Japantown or Little Tokyo but I wish such a thing was nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Never heard of a Japantown or Little Tokyo but I wish such a thing was nearby. Those are all in LA except Calle Ocho which is in Miami. When you drive through LA there are all sorts of ethnic “towns”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Chinatown Japantown Koreatown Calle Ocho Little Tokyo Etc etc...... Cultural enclaves are not the same as "make the US into their country." Rather, it's exactly a symptom of what idiot-boy said. I think, however, it's slightly different in the southwest, where you have a distinct group of people calling themselves "La Raza" and agitating for the "Reconquista." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Attorney General William Barr Puts Additional Limits On Asylum Claims Attorney General William Barr ruled Monday that being a member of a family harassed by gangs is not enough to qualify for asylum. In a ruling that will likely block a large number of immigrants from lodging successful asylum claims moving forward, Barr overturned a previous decision made by Board of Immigration Appeals, which found that being a member of family targeted by gangs or other criminal organizations could qualify them as a “particular social group” worthy of U.S. asylum </snip> 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 6:48 PM, 3rdnlng said: https://dailycaller.com/2016/05/01/anti-trump-protesters-show-their-true-colors-with-mexican-flags/ But the resulting protest showed a more honest side to many within the pro-immigration movement. Brandishing Mexican flags and burning American flags sends a clear message as to which national identity the demonstrators prefer. It’s worth noting that the vast majority of the California demonstrators were young people, an ominous sign that the children of immigrants aren’t assimilating into America’s national fabric. Rather, they are keeping alive their allegiance to the country only a few miles to the south. A testament to the dramatic decline of America’s ability to assimilate recent migrants, for sure. However, the California demonstrations repudiate the notion that the American national character of abstraction can inspire new arrivals. Obviously, these anti-Trump protesters enjoy all the opportunities afforded by living in this country. They don’t appear to take issue with the American way of life; otherwise, they’d be back in Mexico. But they do favor Mexican national identity over American national identity. To them, it represents their family, their heritage and their history. America is just a place where they make money. As is always the case outside of libertarian theories, culture trumps economic concerns when it comes to issues of the heart. America as a nation-state, apparently, inspires no feelings of loyalty or attachment among these activists. And it’s not like you can blame Trump for this alienation. There’s been multiple instances of Mexican immigrants expressing their preferred national identity within the confines of the United States. In 1998 and 2011, Mexican immigrants booed the national anthem during soccer matches between the U.S. and Mexico Men’s soccer teams — that took place in the U.S. During the 2006-07 legislative debate over granting amnesty to illegal aliens, supporters of the proposal marched through several American cities proudly waving Mexican flags with hardly any American ones in sight. It should be a disturbing sight to see these kinds of demonstrations in our cities, but maybe we should expect them when our elites offer new arrivals a national character that is nothing more than a celebration of economic opportunity. Everyone believes in that, and it’s not particularly unique to the American experience. More importantly, it is not enough to bind the citizenry together in unity. Fortunately, America does have a national identity that is more than an abstraction. It’s just that our historical Anglo character is no longer in vogue among our elites and they’d rather think our country was formed out of thin air. As indicated by the displays at the anti-Trump riots, people will always choose the identity that can win over their heart. And it wasn’t “America as an idea,” which seems to only make D.C. policy wonks swoon. In the short-term, the riots will likely bolster Trump’s appeal. In the long-term, it portends to a future where millions of young people think of America with contempt as they cling to their native land and culture. Imagine our national unity in a country like that. And that’s the problem with letting everyone in so easily. They have a sense of entitlement, and don’t want to assimilate. If it continues unabated , pretty soon you don’t have a country anymore. This is something that should concern all native born Americans, not just Trump supporters. It’s a real threat, as today’s immigrants are not the same as our great grandparents were. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 6 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: And that’s the problem with letting everyone in so easily. They have a sense of entitlement, and don’t want to assimilate. If it continues unabated , pretty soon you don’t have a country anymore. This is something that should concern all native born Americans, not just Trump supporters. It’s a real threat, as today’s immigrants are not the same as our great grandparents were. You know who you sound like? The generation who was here when our great grandparents arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 36 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: You know who you sound like? The generation who was here when our great grandparents arrived. Wrong. My grandparents came in the correct way, per the laws of our country and therefore respected the laws of our country. They bought into America. They weren’t tenants. I don’t know anyone who’s against legal immigration. Thousands of people immigrate legally every year and eventually become citizens....just like my grandparents did! HUGE difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wrong. My grandparents came in the correct way, per the laws of our country and therefore respected the laws of our country. They bought into America. They weren’t tenants. I don’t know anyone who’s against legal immigration. Thousands of people immigrate legally every year and eventually become citizens....just like my grandparents did! HUGE difference. About a million people immigrate and become lawful residents here each year legally. Close to 3x more became than enter illegally. And the illegal immigrant population is declining here. I assumed you were talking about the majority of immigrants, who I guess you welcome wholeheartedly then. Which is good, because there are 45 million of them and they make up about the same % of our population as they did when your great grandparents arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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