polish lover Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So it seems like EJ didn't impress enough for anyone to talk about him being the starter when Taylor returns from injury. I would argue that 1. there was zero drop off in overall production from the QB position with EJ in. 2. EJ actually had the best total passing yards in a Bills game this season. 3. EJ gets sacked once every 21 attempts and Tyrod has been sacked once per every 9.8 attempts 4. Tyrod loses on average 7.14 yards per sack and EJ has averaged 3.5 yards lost per sack 5. EJ had at least 6 completions to WRs in this game. Tyrod has struggled to hit WRs. Last game our top two wideo outs had 1 catch 6. EJ also made plays with his feet albeit less exciting ones but he got a TD and a bug first down when needed. 7. While the Bills went 3 and out an embarrassing 50% of the time under EJ, they did the same thing against the Titans under Tyrod and Taylor did even worse against the Giants where the Bills were 57% 3 and out. Both are throwing close to 70% completion, Tyrod a little over EJ a little under. Neither is tearing it up the way they should with all these weapons. Personally I think EJ has more potential because he actually can play from the pocket. If he has more practice time as the number one he could elevate his game. I feel like Taylor is already playing at the top of his game and the result is not much better than EJ in mid learning curve. I say start EJ against Jacksonville. If he doesn't play better than this week then Taylor can come back after the bye but if EJ plays well I think you use the BYE to establish EJ as the QB because these scrambling QBs don't last more than a few games without injury. My prediction is that EJ would have to start week 5 when Tyrod got hurt and I was only a week off. Michael Vick has only had one season out of 13 where he was able to avoid injury. That is a telling stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So it seems like EJ didn't impress enough for anyone to talk about him being the starter when Taylor returns from injury. I would argue that 1. there was zero drop off in overall production from the QB position with EJ in. 2. EJ actually had the best total passing yards in a Bills game this season. 3. EJ gets sacked once every 21 attempts and Tyrod has been sacked once per every 9.8 attempts 4. Tyrod loses on average 7.14 yards per sack and EJ has averaged 3.5 yards lost per sack 5. EJ had at least 6 completions to WRs in this game. Tyrod has struggled to hit WRs. Last game our top two wideo outs had 1 catch 6. EJ also made plays with his feet albeit less exciting ones but he got a TD and a bug first down when needed. 7. While the Bills went 3 and out an embarrassing 50% of the time under EJ, they did the same thing against the Titans under Tyrod and Taylor did even worse against the Giants where the Bills were 57% 3 and out. Both are throwing close to 70% completion, Tyrod a little over EJ a little under. Neither is tearing it up the way they should with all these weapons. Personally I think EJ has more potential because he actually can play from the pocket. If he has more practice time as the number one he could elevate his game. I feel like Taylor is already playing at the top of his game and the result is not much better than EJ in mid learning curve. I say start EJ against Jacksonville. If he doesn't play better than this week then Taylor can come back after the bye but if EJ plays well I think you use the BYE to establish EJ as the QB because these scrambling QBs don't last more than a few games without injury. My prediction is that EJ would have to start week 5 when Tyrod got hurt and I was only a week off. Michael Vick has only had one season out of 13 where he was able to avoid injury. That is a telling stat. You make some good points. I think it is harder for teams to game plan for taylor though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman00 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 EJ is a nice guy but a terrible QB, I'd be supposed if he was still in the league in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think there was a huge drop off from Taylor's performance in most games. EJ leaves more plays out there by not throwing to open guys if there is a shorter route open. He also can't make the ridiculous plays with his legs that can make a difference if other things aren't working. I'd still start Taylor if he's healthy, but I still don't know if he's franchise quality. I'm pretty sure EJM isn't , but he's a decent backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 So it seems like EJ didn't impress enough for anyone to talk about him being the starter when Taylor returns from injury. I would argue that 1. there was zero drop off in overall production from the QB position with EJ in. 2. EJ actually had the best total passing yards in a Bills game this season. 3. EJ gets sacked once every 21 attempts and Tyrod has been sacked once per every 9.8 attempts 4. Tyrod loses on average 7.14 yards per sack and EJ has averaged 3.5 yards lost per sack 5. EJ had at least 6 completions to WRs in this game. Tyrod has struggled to hit WRs. Last game our top two wideo outs had 1 catch 6. EJ also made plays with his feet albeit less exciting ones but he got a TD and a bug first down when needed. 7. While the Bills went 3 and out an embarrassing 50% of the time under EJ, they did the same thing against the Titans under Tyrod and Taylor did even worse against the Giants where the Bills were 57% 3 and out. Both are throwing close to 70% completion, Tyrod a little over EJ a little under. Neither is tearing it up the way they should with all these weapons. Personally I think EJ has more potential because he actually can play from the pocket. If he has more practice time as the number one he could elevate his game. I feel like Taylor is already playing at the top of his game and the result is not much better than EJ in mid learning curve. I say start EJ against Jacksonville. If he doesn't play better than this week then Taylor can come back after the bye but if EJ plays well I think you use the BYE to establish EJ as the QB because these scrambling QBs don't last more than a few games without injury. My prediction is that EJ would have to start week 5 when Tyrod got hurt and I was only a week off. Michael Vick has only had one season out of 13 where he was able to avoid injury. That is a telling stat. Picking and choosing numbers hard here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I see Tyrod's mom has chimed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 They're what the Bills have but neither appears to be a long-term solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 It's the accuracy that does EJ in. He will never be a starter in the NFL (or even a quality back-up) if he can't be more accurate. Just about every crossing throw was like 2 yards behind the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I never had a feeling in yesterday's game that we might come back and win it.....none I have never had a doubt that we might come back and win it with Tyrod Im sorry I know that doesnt match up with the stats......its just a gut feeling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think there was a huge drop off from Taylor's performance in most games. EJ leaves more plays out there by not throwing to open guys if there is a shorter route open. He also can't make the ridiculous plays with his legs that can make a difference if other things aren't working. I'd still start Taylor if he's healthy, but I still don't know if he's franchise quality. I'm pretty sure EJM isn't , but he's a decent backup. Are we going to pretend that Tyrod Taylor didn't have 10 and 14 point games? Tyrod barely threw for 100 yards against the Titans, but EJ leaves more plays out there... ok. It's fair to say that the offense in general has looked poor, and neither QB has really done anything (except maybe Tyrod in the Miami game) to make you think they're the future. I'm inclined to think that neither quarterback is likely to hit their proposed ceiling. It really doesn't matter which one we go with moving forward, as long as we keep with that guy and give them time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I have been an EJM supporter, but Tyrod is probably better. We havent seen Tyrod with McCoy and Watkins in a while. His game will go up a notch with McCoy out there. When is Karlos gonna come back? Karlos and McCoy together makes a difference.: Edited October 19, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Are we going to pretend that Tyrod Taylor didn't have 10 and 14 point games? Tyrod barely threw for 100 yards against the Titans, but EJ leaves more plays out there... ok. It's fair to say that the offense in general has looked poor, and neither QB has really done anything (except maybe Tyrod in the Miami game) to make you think they're the future. I'm inclined to think that neither quarterback is likely to hit their proposed ceiling. It really doesn't matter which one we go with moving forward, as long as we keep with that guy and give them time. Less open guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. Absolutely. EJ has been on a rampage this season with the torrent of injuries he's caused - and the throw to Watkin that broke his ankle is uncalled for and certainly not the sign of a team player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Anyone with eyes can see Tyrod is a lot better than Manuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Less open guys. How could you possibly know that? Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. C'mon.There have been plenty of injuries with Tyrod out there...this team has some glass on the roster. Edited October 19, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Absolutely. EJ has been on a rampage this season with the torrent of injuries he's caused - and the throw to Watkin that broke his ankle is uncalled for and certainly not the sign of a team player. Somewhat surprised Hogan still has legs left and remains un-concussed following that attempt downfield yesterday. EJ is gonna kill what little WR talent we have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 How could you possibly know that? Prove it. I think it's safe to assume that guys are more open with Sammy on the field than when Sammy isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Anyone with eyes can see Tyrod is a lot better than Manuel. I loved crossing the 50 in the first half this week. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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