Webster Guy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This might help you guys from freaking out on Sunday when the Cheatriots run their WR pick plays. I always thought they were illegal--and sometimes they are---but there are ways to do it that won't draw the flag and are technically legal. After reading this article I'm amazed that more teams don't do these on every play. They seem impossible to defend. Expect the cocky punk white midget duo of Amendola and Edelman to do a ton of these Sunday. http://mmqb.si.com/2014/01/15/new-england-patriots-denver-broncos-afc-championship-game-pick-plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 They aren/t illegal when the Cheatriots do them , but are illegal when others do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Great article. Let's hope the refs actually look for this because the Pats definitely push the envelope. Take a look in the other "Picks" thread at Sal's tweet showing Edelman 6-7 yds off the LOS throwing a shoulder into the crossing CB. These types of plays need to be called against the Pats before they go completely #rogue with rubs. #rubrogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Great article. Let's hope the refs actually look for this because the Pats definitely push the envelope. Take a look in the other "Picks" thread at Sal's tweet showing Edelman 6-7 yds off the LOS throwing a shoulder into the crossing CB. These types of plays need to be called against the Pats before they go completely #rogue with rubs. #rubrogue Indeed. The Pats* run more pick/rub plays than any other team, as far as I can tell. Some are clearly legal. Most, I think, are in that zone that makes it tough to tell. And some are clearly illegal (they ran at least one of those against the Steelers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 One of the reasons why the Cheats have been so successful for so long is that they have by their own admission pushed rules and played in grey areas. What they do with these rub routes is often not cheating but in the flow of the game crap like Gronk throwing a leg out to trip or slow down a defender is an example of an action that should be a self limited violation. There is no way that a ref is going to consistently catch that kind of crap. There does come a point where a team has to decide that they are going to be sportsmanlike in their actions. This is taught in pee-wee leagues but the Cheats* have lived on the idea that this notion does not apply to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 There’s a gray area that forces officials to judge intent. The crux of football penalties: Gray areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 One of the reasons why the Cheats have been so successful for so long is that they have by their own admission pushed rules and played in grey areas. What they do with these rub routes is often not cheating but in the flow of the game crap like Gronk throwing a leg out to trip or slow down a defender is an example of an action that should be a self limited violation. There is no way that a ref is going to consistently catch that kind of crap. There does come a point where a team has to decide that they are going to be sportsmanlike in their actions. This is taught in pee-wee leagues but the Cheats* have lived on the idea that this notion does not apply to them. I agree. The sh*t that Tim Brady and the Pats* try to pull on a weekly basis is bush league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This is whining. EVERY team has the option to run these plays, and they do. If the Patriots run them more than others, so what? There are plenty of legitimate complaints against the Patriots, but this isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 There’s a gray area that forces officials to judge intent. The crux of football penalties: Gray areas. like 50 shades? well actually 31 of 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 There’s a gray area that forces officials to judge intent. The crux of football penalties: Gray areas. Nice call! Rex and the coaching staff need to plant seeds with the officials before and during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This is whining. EVERY team has the option to run these plays, and they do. If the Patriots run them more than others, so what? There are plenty of legitimate complaints against the Patriots, but this isn't one of them. PATRIOT FAN KILL IT WITH FIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 This is whining. EVERY team has the option to run these plays, and they do. If the Patriots run them more than others, so what? There are plenty of legitimate complaints against the Patriots, but this isn't one of them. It's not whining so much as an observation: the Pats push that rule to the very limit of what they can get away with, and in no small part because they hope (and know) the officials can't catch them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) It's not whining so much as an observation: the Pats push that rule to the very limit of what they can get away with, and in no small part because they hope (and know) the officials can't catch them all. I'm sure Bills lineman push the limits of the rules against holding, and chop blocks, and that Bills DE's push the limit on hands to the face, and DB's push the limit on interference...on and on and on. Edited September 18, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm sure Bills lineman push the limits of the rules against holding, and chop blocks, and that Bills DE's push the limit on hands to the face, and DB's push the limit on interference...on and on and on. "But everybody does it!" Except not everybody sets picks with the hopes of not getting caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) "But everybody does it!" Except not everybody sets picks with the hopes of not getting caught. Maybe, maybe not. But they do all the things I mentioned (and many more!), throughout the league, with hopes of not getting caught....every game. Edited September 18, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm sure Bills lineman push the limits of the rules against holding, and chop blocks, and that Bills DE's push the limit on hands to the face, and DB's push the limit on interference...on and on and on. I'm aware of only one franchise that has instituted procedures that are meant to systematically game the rules of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Maybe, maybe not. But they do all the things I mentioned (and many more!), throughout the league, with hopes of not getting caught....every game. ...and tampering with equipment, and stealing signals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) ...and tampering with equipment, and stealing signals... Those aren't the topic of this thread. Like I said, there are plenty of legitimate complaints about the Patriots. Pick plays aren't one of them. Edited September 18, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Those aren't the topic of this thread. Like I said, there are plenty of legitimate complaints about the Patriots. Pick plays aren't one of them. Of course not. If you've taught us anything, it's that "cheating" is an ambiguous notion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Of course not. If you've taught us anything, it's that "cheating" is an ambiguous notion... ..and that every team is getting up to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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