The Dean Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 EJ just makes some maddening throws at times, and then he makes throws that few QB's can make. But despite this, his 58.6% completion percentage is widely criticized (and I can understand that) but Matt Cassel has a 59% completion percentage. So what is the real difference there? To me starting Cassel would be a mistake because we pretty much know what we will get. Orton from USC. Could the Bills win 10 with Cassel? If you factor in our huge coaching upgrade and better OL play to be expected, sure I can see that happening. But the ceiling isn't as high IMO when you compare it to EJ and Taylor. EJ and Tyrod Taylor both have inaccuracy issues, but where Taylor separates himself is his poise, leadership in the pocket, and his ability to make a more explosive play with his feet. Ad Taylor has been in the NFL longer, and learned from Flacco and a top organization. That to me is huge. He is ahead of the curve. Could EJ blossom later in his career? Maybe. With the right coaching and working on the shorter throws, he can be. But for now to be its clear: Start Tyrod Taylor Week 1 against Indy. I agree with much of what you say. But let's face it EVERY QB makes some maddening throws--no exceptions. The problem, IMO, is that EJ hadn't been making enough of the good/great throws to compensate for the bad ones. And while I agree Tyrod can make more things happen when the play breaks down, I think EJ shows great poise*---never seen him look flustered, actually. I have to admit I'm not sure what "leadership in the pocket" means, but EJ looked far better from the pocket, on Friday, than either Matt or Tyrod. Tyrod was amazing out of the pocket. *But does he have "Chroise"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 not really getting carried away, " in my opinion" he just looks more of the Qb I would prefer to see. ... - EJ has the size, the arm strength, and can run "when necessary" ... And that's what got him drafted in the first round, and we're still waiting to see if those measurables will ever translate to a good QB on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I agree with much of what you say. But let's face it EVERY QB makes some maddening throws--no exceptions. The problem, IMO, is that EJ hadn't been making enough of the good/great throws to compensate for the bad ones. And while I agree Tyrod can make more things happen when the play breaks down, I think EJ shows great poise*---never seen him look flustered, actually. I have to admit I'm not sure what "leadership in the pocket" means, but EJ looked far better from the pocket, on Friday, than either Matt or Tyrod. Tyrod was amazing out of the pocket. *But does he have "Chroise"? Huh? Cassel looked pretty damn good in the pocket from what I saw, against the 1's also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Huh? Cassel looked pretty damn good in the pocket from what I saw, against the 1's also. Yes, they all looked "good". I think EJ looked the best of the three (and yes, it was against the 3's--and with his 3's) as he delivered the most impressive passes from the pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Front Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Dude! Really?! This is crazy talk! If the QB says on two and the C snaps it on one, it's his fault? I seriously question your football acumen with this nonsense. How is the QB supposed to know that the C got the snap count wrong in his brain? Look you don't have to try to convince me that Kupper sucks and will be looking for a job soon. Seriously i know Kupper botched those snaps albeit nerves, miscommunication, farted mid snap, or what have you. I was being sarcastic, and obviously did not come off as such. I'm a Bills fan and I will root for whoever is the starter ends up being. I'm just tired of the EJ fanboy-ism by some and ready for the season to start. Sick of the he is not getting credit for the beautiful TD ( in-spite of horrible footwork ) Its like winning the lottery !... or then he is getting to much hate for throwing a bomb into the V.I.P tent. ... and like being struck by lightning, and in the same week ! How about the 5 botched snaps since camp started compared to how many by the rest of the QBs on the roster? They all have been together since OTA's. I guess being a leader and showing command in the huddle, and getting everyone on the same page pre-snap is only a prerequisite of a starting QB's in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Dude! Really?! This is crazy talk! If the QB says on two and the C snaps it on one, it's his fault? I seriously question your football acumen with this nonsense. He's trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 He's trolling. people troll here? I didn't know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Save for the one under throw, what were EJ's mistakes? The 2 botched snaps by the center? The 3 dropped balls? Please tell me what I missed. Well, I'm a little late in replying to this, but c'est la vie. Anyway, it was just the one under throw, but it was the nature of that under throw. He looked good otherwise, but the nature of that under throw is not something you can coach out of him. It's a case of the body just reacting. Granted, it may not happen often, but when it does happen, it happens when an athlete (in this case EJ) is trying to make something happen and they get anxious. It's a really, really bad problem to have. It's like a star pitcher who, every so often, just starts tossing totally wild pitches. That's fine in baseball when you play 162 games, but in football? A friend of mine said EJ could benefit from a bit of Phil Jackson mindfulness training. Edited August 18, 2015 by MaineMoxie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Well, I'm a little late in replying to this, but c'est la vie. Anyway, it was just the one under throw, but it was the nature of that under throw. He looked good otherwise, but the nature of that under throw is not something you can coach out of him. It's a case of the body just reacting. Granted, it may not happen often, but when it does happen, it happens when an athlete (in this case EJ) is trying to make something happen and they get anxious. A friend of mine said he could benefit from a bit of Phil Jackson mindfulness training. Even if EJ had gotten the pass to O'Leary, he'd just have dropped it. O'Leary's not even close to living up the hype and might not even make the PS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I hate trolls and their fuzzy hair!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Even if EJ had gotten the pass to O'Leary, he'd just have dropped it. O'Leary's not even close to living up the hype and might not even make the PS. That's not the point, though. It doesn't matter who he was throwing to. The fact was that it was a really, really bad throw. He totally forgot his fundamentals on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's not the point, though. It doesn't matter who he was throwing to. The fact was that it was a really, really bad throw. He totally forgot his fundamentals on that play. Guys- I think we all need to remember- it's about having fun... As long as they all have fun, that's the most important part.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 That's not the point, though. It doesn't matter who he was throwing to. The fact was that it was a really, really bad throw. He totally forgot his fundamentals on that play. No argument there. It was a bad throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Guys- I think we all need to remember- it's about having fun... As long as they all have fun, that's the most important part.... ....And maybe some orange slices at half time.... And of course the Participation Trophies.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 I hate trolls and their fuzzy hair!!! they do have nice butts though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 No argument there. It was a bad throw. Right, every QB makes bad throws. Maybe the best way to explain it is a comparison to a baseball pitcher. Every pitcher can have an off night. But sometimes pitchers lose their control for unknown reasons (e.g. Steve Blass, Rick Ankiel). Now imagine a pitcher who loses his control for some unknown reason maybe once a game, at some random point in the game, but maybe regains it later. This inexplicable loss of control appears to be completely random. That's EJ. With only 16 games plus single-elimination playoffs, an unpredictable element is a bad thing in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 The next QB we draft in May should feel pretty good knowing it doesn't take much to impress some fans with regards to QB play. Complete a few passes that you'd expect every competent passer to make and people will praise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) The next QB we draft in May should feel pretty good knowing it doesn't take much to impress some fans with regards to QB play. Complete a few passes that you'd expect every competent passer to make and people will praise you. Or miss one, out of eight, throws or don't become an instant success (while working with a poor offensive line and incompetent coaching) and you will be dubbed a bust/bum for life! Edited August 18, 2015 by The Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Or miss one, out of eight, throws or don't become an instant success (while working with a poor offensive line and incompetent coaching) and you will be dubbed a bust/bum for life! Instant QBs are not that much different from Instant Pudding. You just need to whip one up and poof....Super Bowl Baby!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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