1billsfan Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) You are talking about a bowl game versus the mighty Northern Illinois (fighthing northern illini?). Could you show some highlights from his THIRD LAST college game? Or his SECOND LAST college game? I think he totalled just over 300 yards passing (combined) in those two games and 4-5 ints. It is EJ Manuel in a nutshell....so much promise, but so inconsistent. You just pointed out the reason why he was considered too raw to pick in the first round. If he looked great in all those games than the Bills would have never had a shot at him. I was just showing a full college game example of him making the type of plays that transfer to the NFL level. It wasn't meant to be proof that he's ever going to make it. Just that there's hope he could. Edited June 5, 2015 by 1billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garranimal Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 You just pointed out the reason why he was considered to raw to pick in the first round. If he looked great in all those games than the Bills would have never had a shot at him. I was just showing a full college game example of him making the type of plays that transfer to the NFL level. It wasn't meant to be proof that he's ever going to make it. Just that there's hope he could. Is "too raw" the same as not good enough? Maybe rather than being raw he is just who he is...isn't that as likely? EJ started at least 3 years in college.....it wasn't like he only started his senior year (or never started, eh hem, Cassell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) I think it reflects his 10 year career and especially the last 4 years and 30 games where he put up 30 TDs and 34 INTS. That is pretty "meh"I don't think there is a word that could sum up my feelings on the cassel signing any more than "meh" so I think it's a fair thing to call him for now. That being said, when I try and call our other qb "boyuel" everyone gets all butt hurt and acts like I'm insulting their five year old son's performance on the little league soccer team. And boyuel doesn't have two ten win seasons and a pro bowl under his belt. Edited June 5, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 so the response is to cut the boyuel and clean with alcohol? how many 10 win seasons does Tyrod have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Is "too raw" the same as not good enough? Maybe rather than being raw he is just who he is...isn't that as likely? EJ started at least 3 years in college.....it wasn't like he only started his senior year (or never started, eh hem, Cassell). No, "too raw" was only meant regarding why he wasn't considered a first round pick. EJ was always a "boom or bust" type of QB prospect. Some never believed in him at all, some have closed the book after two years and some still believe he may develop into a winning franchise QB. I'm in the latter group up until around mid season this year. That's the point where he should have the playbook down pat and the experience to where the game slows down and he's becoming a consistently productive and winning starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 so the response is to cut the boyuel and clean with alcohol? how many 10 win seasons does Tyrod have? No the response is to let it play out and may the best man win. But when "meh" cassel wins the job and plays well enough to lead us to ten wins and Manuel becomes another footnote, what will your nickname for him be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 yes, let it play out and let the best man win. you don't just give the meh 10 year vet the consolidation prize for having the longest career. No the response is to let it play out and may the best man win. But when "meh" cassel wins the job and plays well enough to lead us to ten wins and Manuel becomes another footnote, what will your nickname for him be? first off you assume EJ will fail. IF EJ wins the job and plays well enough to lead us to ten wins and meh once again becomes another footnote, what will your nickname for him be? What would I call EJ - another failed attempt by Buffalo to secure a QB. What would I call it if Meh wins the #1 job, - another failed attempt by Buffalo to secure a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 yes, let it play out and let the best man win. you don't just give the meh 10 year vet the consolidation prize for having the longest career. first off you assume EJ will fail. IF EJ wins the job and plays well enough to lead us to ten wins and meh once again becomes another footnote, what will your nickname for him be? What would I call EJ - another failed attempt by Buffalo to secure a QB. What would I call it if Meh wins the #1 job, - another failed attempt by Buffalo to secure a QB. Whats the point of EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Herb...I am sure that Roman is getting visions of Russel WIlson when he looks at Taylor because they have similar skill set.... I am just talking about overall.....Cam.....hurt.....Dog Killer....always hurt.....Thad Lewis tryed to be a runner and almost got his body broke doing it. You can have all the skill in the world.....but if your not on the field it wont matter...I would like to see a QB that the THREAT of him taking off actually slows down a pass rush because they are trying to contain him......and then having the ability to make those throws from the pocket for taking that approach on defense. OK, not trying to hate here, I don't know if he can play the way Wilson does but, the little guys IE Flute, Wilson, Tarkington, don't seem to get hurt as much as the taller awkward QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 OK, not trying to hate here, I don't know if he can play the way Wilson does but, the little guys IE Flute, Wilson, Tarkington, don't seem to get hurt as much as the taller awkward QB's. Because there are more of the taller awkward guys playing in the NFL.....they are able to see over the 6'7 offensive line better...... Now....before you go telling me that they see through the "gaps" of the offensive line......I am just saying that is the stereotype I still maintain that if Doug Flutie would have come down from the CFL when he was younger he would have a nice long NFL career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyK Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 I like TT's sound track better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Because there are more of the taller awkward guys playing in the NFL.....they are able to see over the 6'7 offensive line better...... Now....before you go telling me that they see through the "gaps" of the offensive line......I am just saying that is the stereotype I still maintain that if Doug Flutie would have come down from the CFL when he was younger he would have a nice long NFL career Flutie looked good until they started designing defense to stop him - keep him in the pocket, don't pass rush hard just push the pocket and keep your hands up, did they bring the secondary up too because he had loss arm strength? that part I'm unsure of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 OK, not trying to hate here, I don't know if he can play the way Wilson does but, the little guys IE Flute, Wilson, Tarkington, don't seem to get hurt as much as the taller awkward QB's. I've stood next to Tarkington on more than one occasion (at a bar) he seems taller than six foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Let's see how they do with the pads on, and another team on the field with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) Whats the point of EJ? thanks for asking it is clear if you chose to read what has been said. Many others besides myself have been saying it for a while, We don't know if EJ will succeed or not. We know that the last meh 10 year pro failed to produce what we all wanted. see comments like this Gugny, on 05 Jun 2015 said: I don't know why you need to come here and bash EJ every chance you get. We get it. You don't like him. But enough is enough. Expecting a Brady* or Manning or Luck or Roethlisberger, or Wilson to pop up in Buffalo is not going to happen. Edited June 5, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Flutie looked good until they started designing defense to stop him - keep him in the pocket, don't pass rush hard just push the pocket and keep your hands up, did they bring the secondary up too because he had loss arm strength? that part I'm unsure of. I thought that was the part that did him in...he was older and lack of arm strength.... I hear TT throws a really nice deep ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 thanks for asking it is clear if you chose to read what has been said. Many others besides myself have been saying it for a while, We don't know if EJ will succeed or not. We know that the last meh 10 year pro failed to produce what we all wanted. see comments like this Expecting a Brady* or Manning or Luck or Roethlisberger, or Wilson to pop up in Buffalo is not going to happen. But whats the point of him? Why is there an EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Tyrod sure is evasive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 But whats the point of him? Why is there an EJ? why are you here? What is the point? just to argue with me? I am flattered. the point good sir is to truly see if EJ is capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 (edited) Well.... Ej Manuel was a regular NFL starter at one point and Tyrod was not... Let's face it, -Being an understudy to Joe Flacco is a permanent gig... I've liked Tyrod Taylor as an athlete since his Vatech days... His preseason work in the pro's has impressed me as well.... He's easily the best pure athlete out of all the QB hopefuls we have... The question is, at this point, -does Tyrod really want the Job... sure, i think he can do it... But can he TAKE it? -Can he be effective enough in camp, and pre-seaze to wrest this position away from EJ and Matt... It'll be hard... But the Victor could be the best QB we've had in years... EJ and O'leary could have tremendous chemistry... they did at the collegiate level, and EJ should be ecstatic to see his old stand-by again. -That combo was lethal at FSU. I like combos... Burger and fries.... Steak and Potatoes... Biscuits and Gravy... Kelly and Reed.. Montana and Rice... Rivers and Gates... Brady and Gronk .... Correction, I like ALMOST all combos... The point is, the best combo wins.. Tyrod is going to have to make at least one freind out there (receiver) and form a bond with him... OR that Chemistry between EJ and Nick has to emerge once again... Either way, It's all about the combo... And YES.. I WOULD like to supersize it! Edited June 8, 2015 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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