Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Fitz is more accurate and makes deeper throws than EJ. How do you get to that conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 really? that's your rational? I'd buy it in week 17, not week 12 - 15 If so Maron(e) fugged up by not realizing KO had called it quits and therefore KO was NOT the best option to win. You really don't think about halfway through the year he decided that it would be his last? He was already retired when they brought him back. It isn't even a little stretch to believe that. Guys always know when it is time. The bye week followed by KC and Miami losses is probably when he knew that this was it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 If Tyrod could be a starting QB why didn't the Ravens showcase him in a few games and trade him for a high draft pick or player? Kubiak was his OC , then went to Denver where Peyton has to retire at some point. He has a very modest contract here 3 years for $3.35m http://www.spotrac.c...s/tyrod-taylor/ Kubiak or the Ravens could have way over bid that offer if Tyrod was the real deal. I hope he is , but so far it doesn't add up. Everyone raved how great a QB , Rob Johnson was ( in practice ) Trent Edwards was a training camp hall of famer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leroi Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) I believe This is conditioning for the weak. Start preparing for a change. What's next? labeling Nigel and Jackson trolls? Typical.... Imo Edited June 3, 2015 by Leroi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 (edited) You really don't think about halfway through the year he decided that it would be his last? He was already retired when they brought him back. It isn't even a little stretch to believe that. Guys always know when it is time. The bye week followed by KC and Miami losses is probably when he knew that this was it. this is a 2 way street that points to one conclusion that I have made before. If he gave up say in week 10 WHY did Marone not see this? How could you think a quitter was your best chance to win? If he didn't give up I can still I point to the KC and Miami losses as his failures as much as Marone's. Ergo that is when EJ should have been put back in for the betterment of the team. If he had done so, many of us could then pass a fair assessment of EJ and then a majority of the daily back and forth would be at an end. playing with a quitter vs playing with a guy we need to know sooner than later if he's truly capable. lose lose situation Hell, I don't doubt that Moron quit early in the season. What better way to the team than keep EJ on the sidelines. You, me, the team and ALL of Bills Nation got screwed. now let me tell you how I really feel. Edited June 3, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 this is a 2 way street that points to one conclusion that I have made before. If he gave up say in week 10 WHY did Marone not see this? How could you think a quitter was your best chance to win? If he didn't give up I can still I point to the KC and Miami losses as his failures as much as Marone's. playing with a quitter vs playing with a guy we need to know sooner than later if he's truly capable. lose lose situation Hell, I don't doubt that Moron quit early in the season. What better way to the team than keep EJ on the sidelines. You, me, the team and ALL of Bills Nation got screwed. now let me tell you how I really feel. Moron and Orton obviously made a pact to both quit during the bye week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 He should have been benched then released as soon as he slid short on 4th down against Denver. damn straight did you think that orton made us a legit contender to win the Super Bowl? if taking advantage of that window with the backup is for a wild card run, i get that once your in you never know, but.... ROTFLMAO you used Orton and legit contender in one sentence?!?!?!?!?!?!? PIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) If Tyrod could be a starting QB why didn't the Ravens showcase him in a few games and trade him for a high draft pick or player? Kubiak was his OC , then went to Denver where Peyton has to retire at some point. He has a very modest contract here 3 years for $3.35m http://www.spotrac.c...s/tyrod-taylor/ Kubiak or the Ravens could have way over bid that offer if Tyrod was the real deal. I hope he is , but so far it doesn't add up. Everyone raved how great a QB , Rob Johnson was ( in practice ) Pretty well documented that Flacco would never allow it. Insisted the coaches never let TT play with the #1's in a game (reg season or pre) or practice. Team TT and the #2's beat Team Flacco and the #1's in practice often. Tyrod wanted a chance to start THIS year - that is also well documented - Tyrod says it in every interview. Not happening in Denver or Baltimore. How people lose sight of this so easily is mind boggling. Tyrod was all but undefeated in Pre-season, FWIW. Preseason =/= practice. Funny how the MOST RECENT DATA is that the players (Graham, Nigel, Freddy) and coaches (Kubiak, Rex, Lee) are saying TT is the real deal now yet we bring up Ravens and VT data. Still a long way to go but glass half full makes me feel like TT might be the steal of the offseason. All made possible because he is quietly confident, paid his dues, shut up in Balt and learned and was now ready to show the world he was a starter - $$ be damned. If I'm wrong I'll go quietly, peacefully. But if I'm right ... Lenny ... you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters .... errrrr.... I mean the media won't be able to lay off that story and the City of Buffalo will fall in love with TT. Edited June 4, 2015 by moshermw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pretty well documented that Flacco would never allow it. Insisted the coaches never let TT play with the #1's in a game (reg season or pre) or practice. Team TT and the #2's beat Team Flacco and the #1's in practice often. Tyrod wanted a chance to start THIS year - that is also well documented - Tyrod says it in every interview. Not happening in Denver or Baltimore. How people lose sight of this so easily is mind boggling. Tyrod was all but undefeated in Pre-season, FWIW. Preseason =/= practice. Funny how the MOST RECENT DATA is that the players (Graham, Nigel, Freddy) and coaches (Kubiak, Rex, Lee) are saying TT is the real deal now yet we bring up Ravens and VT data. Still a long way to go but glass half full makes me feel like TT might be the steal of the offseason. All made possible because he is quietly confident, paid his dues, shut up in Balt and learned and was now ready to show the world he was a starter - $$ be damned. If I'm wrong I'll go quietly, peacefully. But if I'm right ... Lenny ... you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters .... errrrr.... I mean the media won't be able to lay off that story and the City of Buffalo will fall in love with TT. Check this fade: https://vine.co/v/ehVZ7VBPUXB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 It's still WAY too early to know who will start at QB for Buffalo, but two Bills players specifically mentioned Tyrod Taylor by name on Tuesday: http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1551621-bills-players-rave-about-qb-tyrod-taylor If Taylor is accurate, as Nigel Bradham mentioned, that'd put him ahead of Manuel and Cassel for me. Hope he's as good as Bradham and Jackson said at training camp. I don't care who our QB is, I just want them to be good. However, I would think this article and thread are misleading. I didn't get that either player was "raving" about Taylor. In fact, Fred Jackson just said the same thing everyone already knows about him, he's athletic. Nothing new there. Bradham said he's been accurate which is a good thing, so happy to see that. Just again, it was a one line quote, I don't know that qualifies as raving. And it doesn't mean the other QBs haven't been accurate or good, they asked him about Taylor and he gave the kid a compliment. So I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves here and jump to a bunch of conclusions just yet. What I do know is that this is going to be a very interesting QB battle at camp. 3 QB's who are different and intriguing in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81ef2e3a/Is-Tyrod-Taylor-the-next-Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pretty well documented that Flacco would never allow it. Insisted the coaches never let TT play with the #1's in a game (reg season or pre) or practice. Team TT and the #2's beat Team Flacco and the #1's in practice often. Tyrod wanted a chance to start THIS year - that is also well documented - Tyrod says it in every interview. Not happening in Denver or Baltimore. How people lose sight of this so easily is mind boggling. Tyrod was all but undefeated in Pre-season, FWIW. Preseason =/= practice. Funny how the MOST RECENT DATA is that the players (Graham, Nigel, Freddy) and coaches (Kubiak, Rex, Lee) are saying TT is the real deal now yet we bring up Ravens and VT data. Still a long way to go but glass half full makes me feel like TT might be the steal of the offseason. All made possible because he is quietly confident, paid his dues, shut up in Balt and learned and was now ready to show the world he was a starter - $$ be damned. If I'm wrong I'll go quietly, peacefully. But if I'm right ... Lenny ... you will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters .... errrrr.... I mean the media won't be able to lay off that story and the City of Buffalo will fall in love with TT. I really do hope you are right. All Bills fans would be celebrating if Tyrod is the real deal. What concerns me a bit , is our WRs are not yet praising EJ's progress if there is some, or did I miss that breaking news ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I don't care who our QB is, I just want them to be good. However, I would think this article and thread are misleading. I didn't get that either player was "raving" about Taylor. In fact, Fred Jackson just said the same thing everyone already knows about him, he's athletic. Nothing new there. Bradham said he's been accurate which is a good thing, so happy to see that. Just again, it was a one line quote, I don't know that qualifies as raving. And it doesn't mean the other QBs haven't been accurate or good, they asked him about Taylor and he gave the kid a compliment. So I don't think we should get ahead of ourselves here and jump to a bunch of conclusions just yet. What I do know is that this is going to be a very interesting QB battle at camp. 3 QB's who are different and intriguing in different ways. here's the tweet: SiriusXM NFL Radio @SiriusXMNFL #Bills LB Nigel Bradham on QB's: Tyrod Taylor has been great. He's been accurate and he's elusive. It says Nigel Bradham on QB's. So did you hear the interview and the tweet is misleading, or was he not specifically asked about Tyrod? The way the tweet is presented makes it seems like he was asked if he had anything to say about any of the QB's and he only spoke about Taylor. I'd really like to hear the actual interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ya know... Big, north-south, short yardage QB, and small, quick, water bug type skatQB who you need to get into open space... C'mon guys, learn X's and O's, duh :-) Tyrod is 6'1" 210lbs. Hardly scatback, waterbug. He is fast 4.4 and labeled as quick which is different than fast. EJ is fast especially for a big man but I would not say he is quick. Cassel is none of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Tyrod is 6'1" 210lbs. Hardly scatback, waterbug. He is fast 4.4 and labeled as quick which is different than fast. EJ is fast especially for a big man but I would not say he is quick. Cassel is none of the above. About the same size as RGIII for those that want a visual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I'm biased because I haven't seen Tyrod Taylor play much in the NFL. So internally I want to hope that he is that new shiny diamond in the rough QB who will finally come in and take care of business for the Bills. I definitely recognize the chances of that are slim. On the other hand, I'm also not obtuse enough to believe that just because EJ Manuel was a first round pick and was forced into NFL action early, he is inherently a better QB than Taylor. If a team like the Ravens had drafted Manuel, he would have rode the bench behind a quality starter like Flacco, just like Taylor. Of course I hope EJ will improve drastically somehow. He needs to in order to be an NFL quality QB. I'm pretty doubtful from what I've seen of him. Hope he proves me wrong, or we move on and find a measure of success in Cassel or Taylor. The one thing I don't want to see happen is "Let's just give EJ 16 full games, in a row, do overs in place until he completes his 6th NFL season" Need to find a QB that can manage a competent offense. The defense is world class now, and we need to win now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 How do you get to that conclusion? Through sheer conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshermw Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) About the same size as RGIII for those that want a visual. No. Tyrod is thicker and much more solid and durable than RGIII. Dude is the second from the right .....beast ... no homo. Tyrod Taylor Trains With Colin Kaepernick The Ravens quarterback has worked out with the 49ers quarterback this offseason in Miami. Backup quarterback Tyrod Taylor has been working with one of the NFL’s rising stars this offseason to help take his game to the next level. Taylor has spent some of his offseason training in Miami with a number of NFL players, including San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick. Taylor posted a photo of them on Instagram after a recent workout, and a video from 49ers.com showed Taylor working with Kaepernick at the popular Bommarito Performance Systems. Cornerback Jimmy Smith was also in one of the workouts. “This is a big year for me, so I’m just trying to showcase what I can do each and every day,” Taylor said during a recent interview. Taylor entered this offseason looking to put himself in a position to capitalize in the final year of his rookie contract. He has played sparingly during his first three seasons, and the Ravens plan to bring in additional quarterback competition during training camp. As part of his training regimen, Taylor has bulked up during the offseason. He said that he currently weighs 214 pounds, and that he has focused some of his training on adding upper body strength. “I wanted to put on a couple more pounds,” Taylor said. “I felt like I was a little light at the end of last year.” Edited June 4, 2015 by moshermw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I don't think those "NFL rising stars" would've allowed Tyrod to work out with them unless he was a good QB. The only question is where was EJ's invite? Burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 I don't think those "NFL rising stars" would've allowed Tyrod to work out with them unless he was a good QB. The only question is where was EJ's invite? Burn. If he was invited, he probably couldn't make it since he worked for four months with Steve DeBerg and then Hogan in NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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