millbank Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Virginians who wear their pants so low their underwear shows may want to think about investing in a stronger belt. The state's House of Delegates passed a bill Tuesday authorizing a $50 fine for anyone who displays his or her underpants in a "lewd or indecent manner." Del. Lionell Spruill Sr., a Democrat who opposed the bill, had pleaded with his colleagues to remember their own youthful fashion follies. During an extended monologue Monday, he talked about how they dressed or wore their hair in their teens. On Tuesday, he said the measure was an unconstitutional attack on young blacks that would force parents to take off work to accompany their children to court just for making a fashion statement. "This is a foolish bill, Mr. Speaker, because it will hurt so many," Spruill said before the measure was approved 60-34. It now goes to the state Senate. Pants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 good for Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Chief Navy Pride Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Right on...It's about time someone has done something about that junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Let's all keep wondering why it takes so long to get a cop to help when you actually need it or to get a court date. I truly wish politicians would stop using the phrase "free country" when they're doing everything they can do eliminate same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 as a youth pastor who constantly battles on the front lines between coolness and appropriateness -- this is an unenforceable, knee jerk reaction to inappropriate wear. Immodesty in dress is not about fashion, it's about innocence and decency. The way to fix it, though, is not through legislation. If they do this law, they'll need to pass laws against cleavage and all sorts of other "jiggly things" that hang out. In fact, there is no way to force a change. In my area, teens are starting to get fed up themselves with the revealing attire. A change won't happen until the people themselves begin to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 It's a good thing we have so many people currently fighting for our "freedoms". Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamboni Man Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I think the sagging is actually starting to go out of style. There's nothing better they had to do in Virginia than make a law about how people wear their pants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Welcome to United Socialist States of America. We're we take your individual freedoms away one at a time, right under your nose, and nobody ejects until next thing you know you have no freedoms anymore. Sure this might not seem like anything big. Infact it might even seem like a good idea, but it infringes on our basic freedoms such as dressing how we want to. I personally think wearing your pants that low looks ridiculious, but to some people thats the style. I wouldn't want to fine them for dressing how they want to dress, just like I wouldn't want someone telling me, what to eat, when to be home, how much to drink, If I can smoke cigarettes or not, who I can sleep with etc etc etc. This is just a shame that citizens of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA "OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND FOR THE PEOPLE" are allowing basic individual freedoms to be taken away. Just wait till they move up and take things away that are more meaningful to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Either one can be fined for indecent exposure or they can't. If Virginia wants to include an ass hanging out of a person's jeans into their definition of indecent exposure I hardly think this means the Gestapo is waiting for us around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Virginians who wear their pants so low their underwear shows may want to think about investing in a stronger belt. The state's House of Delegates passed a bill Tuesday authorizing a $50 fine for anyone who displays his or her underpants in a "lewd or indecent manner." Del. Lionell Spruill Sr., a Democrat who opposed the bill, had pleaded with his colleagues to remember their own youthful fashion follies. During an extended monologue Monday, he talked about how they dressed or wore their hair in their teens. On Tuesday, he said the measure was an unconstitutional attack on young blacks that would force parents to take off work to accompany their children to court just for making a fashion statement. "This is a foolish bill, Mr. Speaker, because it will hurt so many," Spruill said before the measure was approved 60-34. It now goes to the state Senate. Pants 233520[/snapback] 60-34?????? Sixty people voted for it, and not one stood up and pointed out that legislating the proper wearing of pants is a thoroughly ridiculous and grotesque waste of time and money? Each and every one of those legislators ought to be taken out and shot for the greater good of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Either one can be fined for indecent exposure or they can't. If Virginia wants to include an ass hanging out of a person's jeans into their definition of indecent exposure I hardly think this means the Gestapo is waiting for us around the corner. 233597[/snapback] It doesn't say anything about "ass" in the article, only the display of underwear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I'm glad people are starting wake up and see this nonsense for what it is. The USA is becoming one giant HOA dictated by the Moral Majority. Our freedoms are eroding quicker from within than any outside influence can effect. Please can we maintain a separate church and state ? And we look at the muslim countries as funny because they are dominated by the Muslim religion. Well look in our own backyard folks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 oh ! And let me add that this is Bledsoe's fault as well ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 it's called underwear for a reason. All of you that are freaking out about losing "freedoms" are over reacting. If someone should have the right to show 90% of their boxers, why shouldn't the guy on the corner be able to whip his d--k out? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! When you stop Hobo Joe from whippin' out his package, your treading on everyone's rights! Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 it's called underwear for a reason. All of you that are freaking out about losing "freedoms" are over reacting. If someone should have the right to show 90% of their boxers, why shouldn't the guy on the corner be able to whip his d--k out? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! When you stop Hobo Joe from whippin' out his package, your treading on everyone's rights! Please. 233634[/snapback] You learn anything in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 it's called underwear for a reason. All of you that are freaking out about losing "freedoms" are over reacting. If someone should have the right to show 90% of their boxers, why shouldn't the guy on the corner be able to whip his d--k out? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! When you stop Hobo Joe from whippin' out his package, your treading on everyone's rights! Please. 233634[/snapback] Such wisdom. People can walk around in bathing suits and no one cares. I bet if there was some hot chick walking down the street with a bit of thongs sticking above her jeans you would be drooling. Obvious difference between low riding pants and whipping your dick out, so writing that sentence is pretty ridiculous. It's the point of the matter that pisses me off. These guys have spent time writing up, debating, and passing a bill that is petty and takes away peoples simple rights. It's nothing short of pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Every generation of teens express their individuality by dressing alike. This is old hat. When I look at photos of myself back then, I cringe. So will they as they mature. That kids are jerks is nothing new. And those left-leaning idiots who want these tykes to vote are either nuts, stupid, or clever communists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Obvious difference between low riding pants and whipping your dick out, so writing that sentence is pretty ridiculous. 233654[/snapback] But where do you draw the line? OK, wearing your pants around your knees is OK, and letting everyone see your boxers... but now, what happens when the boxers start to drop? Wait, its a FREE country, we can do what we want! Please, you people are so frigging paranoid that the "government is out to control everyone". No, in this case, they are out to nip a situation in the bud. Remember, these are elected Virginian officials. Blame the voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 It's the point of the matter that pisses me off. These guys have spent time writing up, debating, and passing a bill that is petty and takes away peoples simple rights. It's nothing short of pathetic. 233654[/snapback] Better they waste time writing up, debating, and passing a bill about pulling up one's pants then waste time writing up, debating, and passing a bill about how they feel the money one makes is really the states and so why not increase taxes by X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 But where do you draw the line? OK, wearing your pants around your knees is OK, and letting everyone see your boxers... but now, what happens when the boxers start to drop? Wait, its a FREE country, we can do what we want! Please, you people are so frigging paranoid that the "government is out to control everyone". No, in this case, they are out to nip a situation in the bud. Remember, these are elected Virginian officials. Blame the voters. 233660[/snapback] Thanks for answering my question. Ladies and Gents, here is an example of what liberal arts colleges add to our "culture". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Better they waste time writing up, debating, and passing a bill about pulling up one's pants then waste time writing up, debating, and passing a bill about how they feel the money one makes is really the states and so why not increase taxes by X. 233666[/snapback] Yeah, instead they pass a law with a fine of $50 that'll cost the state an average of $1000 per incident to enforce. That's good for an already overburdened legal system that is putting violent criminals back on the streets because there isn't enough money to keep them locked up. Big picture, meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 But where do you draw the line? OK, wearing your pants around your knees is OK, and letting everyone see your boxers... but now, what happens when the boxers start to drop? Wait, its a FREE country, we can do what we want! Please, you people are so frigging paranoid that the "government is out to control everyone". No, in this case, they are out to nip a situation in the bud. Remember, these are elected Virginian officials. Blame the voters. 233660[/snapback] You are so out of touch with reality it's hard to rationalize anything you say. I would argue my point but I fear it will fall on deaf (or more likely dumb) ears. BTW, I'm sure there wasn't much talk about telling the voters what they could wear in the campain ads for these "officials". I'll blame the voters when they re-elect these morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Thanks for answering my question. Ladies and Gents, here is an example of what liberal arts colleges add to our "culture". 233667[/snapback] From what I can tell, your only question was "You learn anything in college?"... Well, I graduated Cum Laude with a dual degree - BusAd Marketing and BusAd MIS. So, no - I didn't. But maybe I should have stayed longer, and I could have learned how to make witty remarks on a message board. Damn that advisor of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkwwjd Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I'm glad people are starting wake up and see this nonsense for what it is. The USA is becoming one giant HOA dictated by the Moral Majority. Our freedoms are eroding quicker from within than any outside influence can effect. Please can we maintain a separate church and state ? And we look at the muslim countries as funny because they are dominated by the Muslim religion. Well look in our own backyard folks ! 233622[/snapback] Where is the connection between the Moral Majority (read conservative Christians) and this article? I'm sorry, I don't see it. You've been watching the news too much -- everything can be blamed on conservative Christians -- especially taking away rights -- but nothing can be blamed on any other religious group because it would show religious intolerance. Just see any reference to Islam and terrorism, the media is doing everything they can to separate the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 You are so out of touch with reality it's hard to rationalize anything you say. I would argue my point but I fear it will fall on deaf (or more likely dumb) ears. BTW, I'm sure there wasn't much talk about telling the voters what they could wear in the campain ads for these "officials". I'll blame the voters when they re-elect these morons. 233670[/snapback] Ok, I'll just follow along with your ignorant paranoia... THE SKY IS FALLING! Virgiania is passing a law saying people shouldn't have to look at teenagers walking around in their underwear! What will Big Brother do next??? The Sky is falling!! (that better?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 If someone should have the right to show 90% of their boxers, why shouldn't the guy on the corner be able to whip his d--k out? 233634[/snapback] Not a problem. It's the year of the rooster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Yeah, instead they pass a law with a fine of $50 that'll cost the state an average of $1000 per incident to enforce. That's good for an already overburdened legal system that is putting violent criminals back on the streets because there isn't enough money to keep them locked up. Big picture, meat. 233669[/snapback] The big picture, meat, is either a community has the right to set standards of decorum or it doesn't. This law is most likely similar to many other laws that are on books but rarely enforced (and thus not costing the state an average of $1000 per incident to enforce. I'd be interested in knowing how you arrived at that figure and also interested in the logic that brought about -for every kid you ticket for having their ass hanging out of their jeans the results will be one axe-murderer being released onto the streets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Not a problem. It's the year of the rooster. 233686[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Virginia has become a national laughingstock with this. If someone see your underwear, then its a $50 fine??? How ridiculous. Now, if I was a kid inclined to wear the baggy pants (or a chick who liked the low-rider jeans that show the top of a thong), I'd simply not wear any underwear and fug yuou lawmakers!! How truly and utterly ridiculous. NYS has many, many problems (as does NYC). I'm just glad that telling people how to dress is not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Ok, I'll just follow along with your ignorant paranoia... THE SKY IS FALLING! Virgiania is passing a law saying people shouldn't have to look at teenagers walking around in their underwear! What will Big Brother do next??? The Sky is falling!! (that better?) 233676[/snapback] I don't ever EXPECT anyone to agree with me, but if you are going to argue a point, at least TRY and make a decent arguemnt. These people are not whipping their dicks out. They are not exposing their bodies in any way. They are not wearing their pants around their knees. We are talking about showing off boxers! You know, those things that look like shorts? FABRIC! It shows absolutely NOTHING! There is actually the possiblity that a law may be passed that tells people they can not show any clothing material if it worn below their jeans! This doesn't just baffle you? They CAN however go outside wearing LESS clothing any time they want. It is absolutely in no way, shape, or form helping society. It is taking away someones rights, however small you may think they are, for absolutley no reason. It's as if Miami passed a law that said wearing Bills apparel is illegal. There is no reason for it, yet many idiots in Miami would agree because they don't like seeing Bills gear being worn in their city. It really makes no more sense than that. EDIT * Sorry for all the mistakes in that post...I was in a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 It's as if Miami passed a law that said wearing Bills apparel is illegal. There is no reason for it, yet many idiots in Miami would agree because they don't like seeing Bills gear being worn in their city. Didnt ottawa ban the wearing of Toronto Maple leafs jerseys during the playoffs a year or two ago??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 These people are not whipping their dicks out.They are not exposing their bodies in any way. They are not wearing their pants around their knees. We are talking about showing off boxers! You know, those things that look like shorts? FABRIC! It shows absolutely NOTHING! Or girls showing the top of their thong. And Virginia wants to legislate against that, shame on them. It is absolutely in no way, shape, or form helping society. It is taking away someones rights, however small you may think they are, for absolutley no reason. I couldn't agree more. There is very little difference in this law and in North Korea's crackdown on hair length (2 inches). I'm ssure that if the State Senate passes this and the gov signs it, it will be overturned on 1st Amendment grounds as soon as the Courts get to it. There is no compelling public reason for this law at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 I don't ever EXPECT anyone to agree with me, but if you are going to argue a point, at least TRY and make a decent arguemnt. These people are not whipping their dicks out. They are not exposing their bodies in any way. They are not wearing their pants around their knees. We are talking about showing off boxers! You know, those things that look like shorts? FABRIC! It shows absolutely NOTHING! There is actually the possiblity that a law may be passed that tells people they can not show any clothing material if it worn below their jeans! This doesn't just baffle you? They CAN however go outside wearing LESS clothing any time they want. It is absolutely in no way, shape, or form helping society. It is taking away someones rights, however small you may think they are, for absolutley no reason. It's as if Miami passed a law that said wearing Bills apparel is illegal. There is no reason for it, yet many idiots in Miami would agree because they don't like seeing Bills gear being worn in their city. It really makes no more sense than that. EDIT * Sorry for all the mistakes in that post...I was in a hurry. 233700[/snapback] Wait a minute. Wouldn't Virginians be people from Virgin? So aren't they supposed to keep their pants on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Movinon Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Wait a minute. Wouldn't Virginians be people from Virgin? So aren't they supposed to keep their pants on?? 233720[/snapback] Crickets chirping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Crickets chirping 233724[/snapback] I'm not expecting a reply to that nonsense I posted. But it sure fits in with all the other nonsense in this thread. This country needs to get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 it's called underwear for a reason. All of you that are freaking out about losing "freedoms" are over reacting. If someone should have the right to show 90% of their boxers, why shouldn't the guy on the corner be able to whip his d--k out? IT'S A FREE COUNTRY! When you stop Hobo Joe from whippin' out his package, your treading on everyone's rights! Please. 233634[/snapback] But what if someone throws a cup at Ron Artest???? Oh, wait...sorry, I thought you were some other potato-head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Where is the connection between the Moral Majority (read conservative Christians) and this article? I'm sorry, I don't see it. You've been watching the news too much -- everything can be blamed on conservative Christians -- especially taking away rights -- but nothing can be blamed on any other religious group because it would show religious intolerance. Just see any reference to Islam and terrorism, the media is doing everything they can to separate the two. 233673[/snapback] The leap is that Bush espouses the moral majority right and its values and he sets an agenda of abortion, supreme court judges, education etc. based on the moral majority dictum. Forget that the government should be religion neutral, abortion is a religious issue not a government issue. Then we as American's look at the Iran's of the world and scoff becuase their government is so dominated by the Muslim religion. Well ours is as well. Now this underwear law is just a reflection of the moral majority not condoning RAP music and it's style of clothes. I dont like the baggy pants either, but I wouldnt pass a law against it either. It is just a fad and will go by the wayside like every other fad. And of course let me also toss in just for laughs that this is all Bledsoe's fault because he voted for Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 as a resident of virginia i would like to express my opposition to this bill 1. writing a law about saggy pants is lame. aren't there more pressing matters like, say, the crappy VA interstate system to deal with? 2. i would be willing to comprise on this issue, if an amendment is passed where this law does not apply to attractive females with nice bodies wearing low rider pants and thongs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackur Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 as a resident of virginia i would like to express my opposition to this bill 1. writing a law about saggy pants is lame. aren't there more pressing matters like, say, the crappy VA interstate system to deal with? 2. i would be willing to comprise on this issue, if an amendment is passed where this law does not apply to attractive females with nice bodies wearing low rider pants and thongs 233826[/snapback] lol Ah living in Va we all know that we have a law against everything......... but this one will not be enforced.........its a waste of time, money and paperwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tux of Borg Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 A state dress code... what's next, a requirement for Virginians to wear false teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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