....lybob Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Say the Bills average 66 offensive plays a game - how many would be running plays and how many would be passing plays - then dole out the carries and the targets . for example I'll say an even split between run and pass 33 each Run carries - McCoy 21, Jackson 7, Dixon 2, QBs 1.5, Brown/Harvin/Felton 1.5 Pass targets- Watkins 10, Harvin 6, Woods 6, Clay 5, McCoy 2, Hogan 2, everybody else 2 should probably subtract at least 2 targets from the passing game to account for sacks but since our OL is revamped I won't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 You give too few pass targets to Fred Jackson. If we have EJ throwing checkdowns all day, then Fred will get a lot of targets like he did last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 You give too few pass targets to Fred Jackson. If we have EJ throwing checkdowns all day, then Fred will get a lot of targets like he did last year. so allocate away, if Fred gets more who gets less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 so allocate away, if Fred gets more who gets less I say one more pass attempt per game. Mccoy gets one or so, clay gets 4, Watkins gets 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Rex says 50 running plays.... So... McCoy 25, Fred 13, Boobie 5, QB, 3, Harvin 3, Felton 1 Sprinkle in 34 pass plays.... Watkins, 10, Harvin 6, Clay 6, Woods, 6, McCoy 3, rest 3 This is super realistic! Hahaha For real though, once you start trying to break it down, it shows how hard it is to get everyone the touches you want in the receiving game... I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple big games by each Watkins, Harvin, Woods and Clay. It's a great problem to have... Unlike the QB problem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 If it's a zone read option play who do I count for the touch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 for sure there will be more rush attempts than passes 36 rushes 30 pass attempts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Rex says 50 running plays.... So... McCoy 25, Fred 13, Boobie 5, QB, 3, Harvin 3, Felton 1 Sprinkle in 34 pass plays.... Watkins, 10, Harvin 6, Clay 6, Woods, 6, McCoy 3, rest 3 This is super realistic! Hahaha For real though, once you start trying to break it down, it shows how hard it is to get everyone the touches you want in the receiving game... I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple big games by each Watkins, Harvin, Woods and Clay. It's a great problem to have... Unlike the QB problem.... This is what I was thinking of -is there going to be enough touches to go around to keep everybody happy- btw Bills ave around 64 offensive plays last year rank 15th 66 offensive plays would have ranked 9th last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Say the Bills average 66 offensive plays a game - how many would be running plays and how many would be passing plays - then dole out the carries and the targets . for example I'll say an even split between run and pass 33 each Run carries - McCoy 21, Jackson 7, Dixon 2, QBs 1.5, Brown/Harvin/Felton 1.5 Pass targets- Watkins 10, Harvin 6, Woods 6, Clay 5, McCoy 2, Hogan 2, everybody else 2 should probably subtract at least 2 targets from the passing game to account for sacks but since our OL is revamped I won't 66 attempts per game is a fast-paced, pass-based offense. The SB year, Roman's Ground and Pound had 58 attempts/game. Even a mediocre scrambler such as Cassel averages about 2.7 run attempts per game career. In 2013, EJ averaged 4.6. Rex said "I'd like to see him use his legs more" - recall when the pocket breaks down and the QB runs for his life, that counts as a rushing attempt. I'm going to say 58 run+pass attempts per game (62 offensive plays but 4 of them are punts). 53% run/pass so 31 rushing attempts. McCoy 20, 2nd back (Jackson/Dixon/Brown - only 1 per game though) 6, QB 3, Harvin 2 47% pass/run so 27 passing attempts. Watkins 8, Clay 6, Woods 5, McCoy 3, Harvin 2, TE #2 2, RB #2 1 The breakdown is based on the year the '49ers went to the SB. The # touches and targets for McCoy are based on 2013 as is # targets for Clay. The # targets for Watkins assumes a 100 reception season with 75% reception rate. The # rushing attempts for QB assumes a mobile but not notable guy behind an OK line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 If it's a zone read option play who do I count for the touch?if the QB runs for positive yards and then pitches it then he is credited with the carry and the pitch man gets the rushing yards after receiving the ball but not the carry. If the QB sees the end coming for him and pitches the ball right away behind the line of scrimmage then its a rushing attempt for the RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenews Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Where can I buy ankle weights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 if the QB runs for positive yards and then pitches it then he is credited with the carry and the pitch man gets the rushing yards after receiving the ball but not the carry. If the QB sees the end coming for him and pitches the ball right away behind the line of scrimmage then its a rushing attempt for the RB I get that, but considering it's March still I'm not sure whether he pitched the ball yet. I'll just add them in separately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Don't forget that Clay and Percy can run out of the backfield. Shady and Fred are going to be passing targets as well. These are all versatile playmakers. It's going to be hard to keep them all happy, especially if we are not winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Pass to the open man, run the ball with McCoy, Harvin, Jackson, Clay. Shouldn't allocate touches since every game should be different. Edited March 29, 2015 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hard to say really. will be based upon game plan. I expect McCoy to get the bulk in anything they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 RUN McCoy 24, Jackson 4, Dixon 3, Brown 1, QB 2, Clay & Gray 1, WR .5 Pass - Targets: Watkins 7, Hogan 2, Woods 4, Harvin 3, Clay 5, Jackson 4, Dixon 2, McCoy 4, Gray 2, Goodwin 1 We will run the ball 35-40 times a game and complete 20-24 passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 RUN McCoy 24, Jackson 4, Dixon 3, Brown 1, QB 2, Clay & Gray 1, WR .5 Pass - Targets: Watkins 7, Hogan 2, Woods 4, Harvin 3, Clay 5, Jackson 4, Dixon 2, McCoy 4, Gray 2, Goodwin 1 We will run the ball 35-40 times a game and complete 20-24 passes. If you add incomplete passes isn't thst a lot of plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 If you add incomplete passes isn't thst a lot of plays? 35.5 runs a game. 34 passes @ 62% comp% = 21 passes 21+35.5 = 56.5 plays a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 RUN McCoy 24, Jackson 4, Dixon 3, Brown 1, QB 2, Clay & Gray 1, WR .5 Pass - Targets: Watkins 7, Hogan 2, Woods 4, Harvin 3, Clay 5, Jackson 4, Dixon 2, McCoy 4, Gray 2, Goodwin 1 We will run the ball 35-40 times a game and complete 20-24 passes. 35-40 rushes per game?? That's 560-640 attempts per season. No team had more than 551 last year (Houston)--only 4 teams cracked 500. 640 per year?--those numbers haven't been seen in 30 years. Won't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 35.5 runs a game. 34 passes @ 62% comp% = 21 passes 21+35.5 = 56.5 plays a game Incomplete passes count as plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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