C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 So a game that they were leading by 11 at halftime against the Pats starters counts as a loss? Not even "off the board but a loss?" That sounds like creative accounting to me to prove your point. I'd probably even let a "no game" slide but to chalk up a game that you were leading by 11 against their starters as a loss is unacceptable. You honestly believe if NE cared about that game at all, we win? They didn't play Gronk and had nothing to prove. I won't count it as a loss but it was a preseason game which we cared more about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) You honestly believe if NE cared about that game at all, we win? They didn't play Gronk and had nothing to prove. I won't count it as a loss but it was a preseason game which we cared more about. I had forgotten Gronk didn't play at all, as well as Julian Eddleman http://www.patriots.com/news/2014/12/28/rob-gronkowski-julian-edelman-among-patriots-inactives (11) Julian Edelman, WR (35) Jonas Gray, RB (39) Brandon Browner, CB (54) Dont'a Hightower, LB (63) Dan Connolly, OL (76) Sebastian Vollmer, T (87) Rob Gronkowski, TE Edited March 17, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 More than likely it will be Matt Cassel, he's the only pocket passer on the team with any semblance of accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billstein22 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Well it certainly won't be Tyrod. I guess Cassel is the best option for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 You honestly believe if NE cared about that game at all, we win? They didn't play Gronk and had nothing to prove. I won't count it as a loss but it was a preseason game which we cared more about. Which is fine. I guess the point that I was making is that we can either call it what it is a win (or at worst a preseason game) or we can manipulate things to fit our agenda. By the exact same token I could make the argument that if Orton started vs. Houston it was a win. That was the worst game live that I have ever seen a QB play. I am just saying that counting a win as a loss doesn't pass the sniff test. It feels too forced. If you want to say that Orton went 7-5 and one of those wins was virtually a preseason game there will be no argument whatsoever. If you want to say that his 7-5 record only counts as 6-6 because they would have lost (a game that they were up 11 at halftime against the 1st team) it is a tougher argument. Let's not distort things to try to prove our point. It only weakens what is being said. Let the performance stand on its own merits without all of the "ifs, ands or buts." It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I voted someone else I heard something t thru grapevine about Eli manning to bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Phillip Rivers ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Tyrod Taylor was groomed the way EJ should have been. Great coaches.....backup to a good QB (watch and learn).....great team--strong leaders. Then he takes less money bc he wants to play---Denver wanted him. I think Taylor is going to win the job with Cassel a close 2nd. Edited March 18, 2015 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think we catch lightning in a bottle and Taylor starts and plays well all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 He's got a big arm. Great athlete. No, not very accurate. Neither is Kaep or Flacco. I see him maybe as Kaep-lite. Which is good enough for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I was just thinking of doing a new one haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) I almost started a new one earlier to see how it changes. Edit: The new poll is up so feel free to vote there. Edited August 2, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Which is fine. I guess the point that I was making is that we can either call it what it is a win (or at worst a preseason game) or we can manipulate things to fit our agenda. By the exact same token I could make the argument that if Orton started vs. Houston it was a win. That was the worst game live that I have ever seen a QB play. I am just saying that counting a win as a loss doesn't pass the sniff test. It feels too forced. If you want to say that Orton went 7-5 and one of those wins was virtually a preseason game there will be no argument whatsoever. If you want to say that his 7-5 record only counts as 6-6 because they would have lost (a game that they were up 11 at halftime against the 1st team) it is a tougher argument. Let's not distort things to try to prove our point. It only weakens what is being said. Let the performance stand on its own merits without all of the "ifs, ands or buts." It is what it is. I'm just curious what you're thoughts regarding the OLine's play that day are? Because I recall quite a few worse QB performances during the last fifteen years. Tyrod Taylor was groomed the way EJ should have been. Great coaches.....backup to a good QB (watch and learn).....great team--strong leaders. Then he takes less money bc he wants to play---Denver wanted him. I think Taylor is going to win the job with Cassel a close 2nd. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 whomever the coach chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) I'm just curious what you're thoughts regarding the OLine's play that day are? Because I recall quite a few worse QB performances during the last fifteen years.I sat 3 rows from the field and guys ran free all day. The DBs for Houston were screaming at each other and the receivers were just throwing their hands in the air in frustration. There were plays where 3 guys were open and others were open by 10 yards screaming for the football. The OL was bad (and Watt was unbelievable) but I said that day that I would be surprised if we saw another EJ start. So far, we haven't. The game tape review of that was going to be really, really, really ugly. Edited August 2, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 just deleted my vote. now I'm leaning towards EJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 Mods, please close this and continue with the updated one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Mods, please close this and continue with the updated one. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 noIt's the same poll. Just thought that it was easier than changing votes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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