BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Neil O'Donnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enemarty Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I like the Alex Smith as the current median example, but I actually think is he "just barely" ok. So, I would consider career "ok" QBs to be slightly better than Alex Smith, but not quite Matt Hasselbeck, who was actually a pretty good QB, but doesn't get as much credit. Brad Johnson is a solid choice here and may be the best choice. I think Phil Simms would have a better reputation if we didn't have to hear him bloviate every year, but if you consider him ok, I would like our chances this year with a Phil Simms at QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WannabeGM Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 - Kosar - McMahon - Hosteler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Currently in the league I would Say Alex Smith is the line. Smith is the standard middle QB. Probably the 15th to 16th best QB in the league. If you have a QB that's better than him you have a pretty good one. If you have one that's worse you better hope its a young QB who could develop. In the past I would say Chad Pennington after his first injury was the classic example. This ^^ Alex Smith is such a good example that we often talk about getting "an Alex Smith level of play" from the QB. That is exactly what that means. Edited March 12, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Alex Smith by far is the classic example of an okay QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Garcia, flutie Edited March 12, 2015 by BILLriant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Is Gus Frerotte in this discussion yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 - Kosar - McMahon - Hosteler Bernie was pretty outstanding from about 1987-91...one of the better QB's in the league at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I love that there is a word that doesn't really exist but everyone knows exactly what it means. Where would Joe Ferguson fall? kj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Yeah I'm gonna need an explanation on this one too. My guess is that you're going to say their job was harder, which correlates none to them being better. Qbs the Bills used to play: Moon, Montana, Elway, Marino, Cunningham, Young, Kosar, Simms, Aikman, Esiason, etc. The rules are a joke now. You can't touch receivers. IF you get hit too hard, it's a penalty. If you breathe on a QB, it's 15 yards. The rules are so much easier now than freaking Matt Stafford can throw for 5,000 yards. Kelly never went over 4,000! Every passing record/ receiving record set now show have a giant *. I'm off my old guy soapbox now. Neil O'Donnell Good choice. Meh O'Donnell. He just handed the SB MVP (and a big contract) to Larry Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Garcia, flutie No. Jeff Garcia was very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Brian Moorman? 7 for 3 for 68 yards and 2 TD passes? Michael Vick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Qbs the Bills used to play: Moon, Montana, Elway, Marino, Cunningham, Young, Kosar, Simms, Aikman, Esiason, etc. The rules are a joke now. You can't touch receivers. IF you get hit too hard, it's a penalty. If you breathe on a QB, it's 15 yards. The rules are so much easier now than freaking Matt Stafford can throw for 5,000 yards. Kelly never went over 4,000! Every passing record/ receiving record set now show have a giant *. I'm off my old guy soapbox now. Good choice. Meh O'Donnell. He just handed the SB MVP (and a big contract) to Larry Brown. I don't disagree with anything you said whatsoever. However that doesn't mean that if Aaron Rodgers played in Bernie Kosar's day, although his numbers wouldn't be quite as spectacular, that he still wouldn't be way better than Bernie Kosar. Edited March 12, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Qbs the Bills used to play: Moon, Montana, Elway, Marino, Cunningham, Young, Kosar, Simms, Aikman, Esiason, etc. The rules are a joke now. You can't touch receivers. IF you get hit too hard, it's a penalty. If you breathe on a QB, it's 15 yards. The rules are so much easier now than freaking Matt Stafford can throw for 5,000 yards. Kelly never went over 4,000! Every passing record/ receiving record set now show have a giant *. I'm off my old guy soapbox now. Good choice. Meh O'Donnell. He just handed the SB MVP (and a big contract) to Larry Brown. This gets repeated here all the time, yet is there data to state that QBs now get hit less often than they did in the 90's? Did the QBs back then trow less because they were afraid to get hit? Have roughing the passer "rules" decreased the number of hits QBs take? Have the number of penalties gone up every year since (whenever) they changed? Get back to us on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) This gets repeated here all the time, yet is there data to state that QBs now get hit less often than they did in the 90's? Did the QBs back then trow less because they were afraid to get hit? Have roughing the passer "rules" decreased the number of hits QBs take? Have the number of penalties gone up every year since (whenever) they changed? Get back to us on this... Agreed also. And to further my point, if all of a sudden they made a rule that you're not allowed to get within 5 yards of Aaron Rodgers, that has nothing to do with how talented Aaron Rodgers is. Just because guys back then were supposedly "tougher," that doesn't make them better. Not to mention, football players today are in such better shape, work out so much harder, watch so much more film, etc. I'm inclined to think that a guy like Matthew Stafford would have been a hell of a QB in 1989. Edited March 12, 2015 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 so are you guys saying that Brady would have been road kill in the 90's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Agreed also. And to further my point, if all of a sudden they made a rule that you're not allowed to get within 5 yards of Aaron Rodgers, that has nothing to do with how talented Aaron Rodgers is. Just because guys back then were supposedly "tougher," that doesn't make them better. Not to mention, football players today are in such better shape, work out so much harder, watch so much more film, etc. I'm inclined to think that a guy like Matthew Stafford would have been a hell of a QB in 1989. I agree. I think that the average D is much more complex than it was 20-30 years ago. More difficult now for QBs (successful ones, anyway) to excel. so are you guys saying that Brady would have been road kill in the 90's? The opposite, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I hope someone mentioned Frank Reich! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I agree. I think that the average D is much more complex than it was 20-30 years ago. More difficult now for QBs (successful ones, anyway) to excel. Brady would have been road kill in the 90's? The opposite, actually Cinderella Brady wouldn't have lasted 3 years back in the 90's WEO and you damn well know it Christ the NFL implemented 2 or 3 "Brady" rules to protect his puny self! I hope someone mentioned Frank Reich! I thought about it but dissing Frank here seemed dangerous Edited March 12, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Russell Wilson. Defense and beast won first Super Bowl. He lost the 2nd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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