firemedic Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Do the Super Bowl-losing Bills teams win one or more of those games with a heyday Peyton Manning? I don't think Peyton is better than Kelly........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I don't think Peyton is better than Kelly........ Agreed. Peyton puts up formulaic yards in a pass-happy era, but Kelly is a superior QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 i say with a HOF type QB on this coming seasons roster, they get to the super bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJasper Probincrux III Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 In the modern situation where you can't even breathe on QBs, illegal contact is called, and offensive holding isn't? I'd bet on Jim. Frankly, Marino would be ridiculous with the way they call the game now. He put up stupid numbers before. Imagine what he'd do now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Put Kelly in his prime on this team, in this era NFL, with this coach, with this owner - Do the Bills win it all? Do they win it with Kelly after the up coming draft/FA signings? My answer is, no. That tells me how far away the Bills are. They need a stud runningback, a big improvement at TE, and a whole lot biter o-line. For comparison, the current defense put on the 90 Bills win the Super Bowl by 50 points. of course, what were you thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No. Not even close. Go back and watch those 1990s teams and see all the HOF players and All Pros that were playing together. The current team doesn't have the offense or defense to win it, even with Kelly. The current D is very good but not Super Bowl-winning good. I didn't feel this strongly until I recently watched the 1992 49ers No Punt game. Those Bills teams were loaded on all three phases.Smith would have been the best player on either squad, but overall the current defense is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNMBillsFan Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No. Jim was terrible in the Super Bowls. http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/47/categorystats?tabSeq=1&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=QUARTERBACK&d-447263-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Possibly. Although Rex doesnt run no huddle as well as Marv did. What? THe HC does not run the no huddle. Kelly called his own plays. Not sure what this even means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 For sure! If for no other reason than the modern internet age and 24/7 media coverage would prevent Kelly from boozing it up all week right up to the game, and it would be the first SB he didnt play hungover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 (edited) Yes they would. Many posters are correctly observing that the team would still not be as good as the SB Bills. BUT that misses the fact that NO NFL TEAM is as good today in the free agency era as the best were back then. Just look at this last Super Bowl - would either of those teams have stood a chance in the 90's? Not likely. To answer the question, it's not necessary for them to be as good as the 90's Bills to win the SB today. With any HOF caliber QB this team IS good enough to win today. Edited February 17, 2015 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Brown Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No way! The O-Line was much better, Thurman!, Andre!, No way. There's a reason #12 is never in the debate of best QB ever, b/c he wasn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I can't say YES or NO definitively. But if this current team added a HOF QB, I would expect at least a deep run in the playoffs. The postseason is such a tricky thing, all it takes is one bad day... Which in hindsight, makes the the 1990-1993 Bills that much more impressive. No way! The O-Line was much better, Thurman!, Andre!, No way. There's a reason #12 is never in the debate of best QB ever, b/c he wasn't! Or because pro sports has an obsession with perfection and given the fact the Bills never won the "big one," he's not in the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 dont forget theyd still have to get out of pats' division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 dont forget theyd still have to get out of pats' division With our own HoF QB to match their HoF QB, this becomes the Bills' division again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 dont forget theyd still have to get out of pats' division That worked out well for us last time when there were two HOF QBs in the division. I'd like our chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Hard to say. Against the D's of Wash and Dallas in the SB games, Kelly (on an much better Bills team) completed 55% of his passes and threw 3 TDs vs. 7 ints. Not sure how he would have doen vs. Seattle D today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Just for fun, watch this. I think these should be linked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted February 17, 2015 Author Share Posted February 17, 2015 It's an interesting dilemma. We had individual defensive superstars on the Superbowl teams, but on the whole, our defense was not good enough and that cost us more than anything back then. Our D now is a LOT stronger than it ever was with Bruce Smith in the lineup. I say bring back Jimbo in his prime, keep the other pieces, and let's see what happens. I'd take those odds all day long. How about the same 1990 personel on defense, but a much better philosophy? I agree, that this defense is better over all, but there were a couple of pieces on the 90s team that I would love to see today. Bruce is still the best defensive player in franchise history imo. And we shouldn't forget how great Biscuit was. He was probably the fastest player on the field in most games. Talley would have thrived under Schwartz or Ryan. That defensive was on the field more than any other unit in the league, but they can't blame just the K-Gun. Not being able to conistently get stops on 3rd down kills any team. This season, I got the most joy out of watching the present Bills on defensive 3rd downs. Made me think it's a real defense, with real toughness. I'm really not convinced yet on this one. I think the 90 Bills were far and away the best team in the NFL that year. Second was SF, then the Giants. The Bills played seeminly a perfect season. And they still didn't win the Super Bowl. The current team has way too many holes to fill in the areas we know about to complete at the highest level...even with a hall of fame QB. no. Much worse O-Line nowadays. And very few veterans on Offense. Agree here. There is a long way to go with this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 No of course not. As much as I loved that era and watching that team, the fact is Kelly couldnt win the big one. That will always be his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 The "heyday Bills" didn't win a Super Bowl with Jim Kelly, so what you're really asking is - - is the rest of the current Bills team (sans QB) better than Kelly's teammates in the "heyday." No way. The current Bills are improving, but it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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