meazza Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It's simply a matter of trust or should I say mistrust. The Palestinians are clearly paranoid over the Aqsa Mosque. Closures of the site of worship don't help, it just further fuels the paranoia. They've been digging underneath that area for a while now and there's fear that the very foundation of the mosque will collapse. That leads to the fighting you see there now. The guy made some great points, but he lost credibility with me when he said the Palestinians have received $31B in aide. That's a B not a M. I'm calling BS on that. http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592 The amounts are there though I don't know where he got 30 B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592 The amounts are there though I don't know where he got 30 B. I agree with him though. The Palestinian authority is corrupt. They love the bloodshed and on both sides, too. They think that's what it's gonna take to get the two state solution, but they're wrong, as usual. Peaceful resistance is the only way to go. You'll get the world's sympathy and eventually will get your own state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) I agree with him though. The Palestinian authority is corrupt. They love the bloodshed and on both sides, too. They think that's what it's gonna take to get the two state solution, but they're wrong, as usual. Peaceful resistance is the only way to go. You'll get the world's sympathy and eventually will get your own state. So do I. Personally I think Islam has to look in the mirror before any actual change will happen. Not enough have renounced violence. If you want an example, look at the Memri video from the Saudi singer posted earlier. Or another example http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5095.htm "Which Syrians sleep the soundest? Those living in the Golan" Edited October 15, 2015 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So do I. Personally I think Islam has to look in the mirror before any actual change will happen. Not enough have renounced violence. If you want an example, look at the Memri video from the Saudi singer posted earlier. Or another example http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5095.htm "Which Syrians sleep the soundest? Those living in the Golan" Can't say I agree with that. Islam isn't an opinion by a few people, not even millions for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000592 The amounts are there though I don't know where he got 30 B. That site totals about $27B since 1993. Close enough for sound bytes. Can't say I agree with that. Islam isn't an opinion by a few people, not even millions for that matter. The problem is that while Islam is a religion, it's also a political viewpoint to a lot of people (not just Muslims, and not all Muslims either). Most people would not take issue with the religious tenets of Islam, if they knew what they were and could separate them from the political. And that change - the politics of "Islam" - is what has to start with self-introspection by Islamic societies. Because 1) what they're doing now really isn't working; it breeds oppression rather than eases it, and 2) the opinions of non-Muslims towards Islam can't start to change until Islam itself starts to change politically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/15/turkish-prime-minister-there-is-a-360-degree-difference-between-turkish-islam-and-isis/?utm_content=buffera243c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer “There is a 360-degree, not 180-degree, difference between the Islam we defend and what Daesh has on its mind,” he said, using an Arabic acronym for the Islamic State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/15/turkish-prime-minister-there-is-a-360-degree-difference-between-turkish-islam-and-isis/?utm_content=buffera243c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer Is 'a 360 degree difference' some kind of term or colloquialism I've never heard before, or is the Turkish PM in need of brushing up on his metaphors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Is 'a 360 degree difference' some kind of term or colloquialism I've never heard before, or is the Turkish PM in need of brushing up on his metaphors? He went full gatorman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 He went full gatorman. Full circle Gatorman to be exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Funny how everything that comes out of the Obama administrator requires "clarification" as we never fail to fully grasp what they mean. You'd think birddog is composing the statements. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/State-Department-clarifies-Kerrys-link-between-terror-wave-and-settlements-424981 Whats funny (and not "ha ha" funny) is that we intervene in Syria's uprising on the "rebels" side saying its the government's fault for a crackdown on protests, yet the Israeli occupation and routine slaughter of an occupied population has no bearing on the violence? hmmmm..... Edited October 15, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Is 'a 360 degree difference' some kind of term or colloquialism I've never heard before, or is the Turkish PM in need of brushing up on his metaphors? Fermions spin through 720 degrees in a complete revolution. Not the least bit relevant to the topic...just showing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Whats funny (and not "ha ha" funny) is that we intervene in Syria's uprising on the "rebels" side saying its the government's fault for a crackdown on protests, yet the Israeli occupation and routine slaughter of an occupied population has no bearing on the violence? hmmmm..... Wow you really got me there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Whats funny (and not "ha ha" funny) is that we intervene in Syria's uprising on the "rebels" side saying its the government's fault for a crackdown on protests, yet the Israeli occupation and routine slaughter of an occupied population has no bearing on the violence? hmmmm..... The US supports democracies and does not support authoritarian despotism. What a...surprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The US supports democracies and does not support authoritarian despotism. What a...surprise... Lol.... The politics of Saudi Arabia takes place in the context of an absolute monarchy, where the King of Saudi Arabia is both head of state and the head of government, but decisions are, to a large extent, made on the basis of consultation among the senior princes of the royal family and the religious establishment. The Qur'an is declared to be the constitution of the country, which is governed on the basis of Islamic law (Shari'a). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Full circle Gatorman to be exact. Fermions spin through 720 degrees in a complete revolution. Not the least bit relevant to the topic...just showing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Fermions spin through 720 degrees in a complete revolution. Not the least bit relevant to the topic...just showing off. Don't they only do that if you feed them after midnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 Catches fire ?? Catches fire ? A Palestinian mob set fire to a Jewish holy site this morning. This is how @CNN reported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Catches fire ?? Catches fire ? A Palestinian mob set fire to a Jewish holy site this morning. This is how @CNN reported it. lol So the mosque is under attack (which it isn't) and they respond by attacking an important religious symbol and no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 lol So the mosque is under attack (which it isn't) and they respond by attacking an important religious symbol and no one cares. And when whatever Israeli fire department responds, they'll cry "Palestinian oppression!" Sooner or later, some idiot's going to bomb the al Aqsa mosque. Then ****'s really going to get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 lol So the mosque is under attack (which it isn't) and they respond by attacking an important religious symbol and no one cares. Ya sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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