Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Because it's historically inaccurate. How so? I don't think you know anything about history, but if you want to prove me wrong, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 How so? I don't think you know anything about history, but if you want to prove me wrong, go for it. I don't have to prove you wrong, history does that for me. If you think you're right that railroads and trade ended slavery, you prove it. You're the one offering the inaccurate version of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The Obama doctrine applied RON RADOSH: Obama Confounds Critics and Surprises Raul Castro with His Strong Defense of Democracy in Communist Cuba: “Obama may not have given the exact speech conservatives would have hoped he would give, but it was better than any of us expected. So I praise him for saying what he did. I’m sure Raul Castro and his henchman had a very different reaction.” Read the whole thing. Related: Good catch by Stephen Miller on Twitter: “Watch it again. [Obama] says 2 Cubans, 1 Black President, a woman, and then a democratic socialist,” adding, “Favorite thing about this.. Obama recognizes candidate heritages but then comes to Sanders’s ideology because Jewish…I mean gosh, why would Obama skip over Sanders’ Jewish heritage?” Krauthammer: Obama Is on a ‘Holiday Trip’ to Cuba as ‘The World Burns.’ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 I don't have to prove you wrong, history does that for me. If you think you're right that railroads and trade ended slavery, you prove it. You're the one offering the inaccurate version of history. Didn't say ended, said it was the beginning of the end in our country. Big difference there little guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Didn't say ended, said it was the beginning of the end in our country. Big difference there little guy It's still a woefully inaccurate historical analysis of slavery and what brought it to an end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 It's still a woefully inaccurate historical analysis of slavery and what brought it to an end. You just don't understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 You just don't understand Considering you're the one saying trade and railroads helped end slavery, it's clear one of us doesn't understand a lick about history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Considering you're the one saying trade and railroads helped end slavery, it's clear one of us doesn't understand a lick about history. The ignorant dog barking at strange knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The ignorant dog barking at strange knowledge Can you prove railroads and trade helped bring about the end of slavery? Because otherwise, we're kind of done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 You guys complaining about this act as if economic freedoms don't matter. Improving trade IS empowering regular Cubans. Free markets open the door to prosperity and economic justice. Obama seems to know more about capitalism than you whiners Nothing like that happens under a dictatorship. It's all scammed by the dictator. Thats how it works and indecently, that's how socialism works that you love so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Can you prove railroads and trade helped bring about the end of slavery? Because otherwise, we're kind of done here. It's easy. Just on the largest front, opening the west, transportation improvements quickened the drive and made the country debate slavery in the territories. Boom, the Free Soil Movement was born and had their first convention at the Erie Canal town of.....Buffalo in 1848! Gosh, that was hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 It's easy. Just on the largest front, opening the west, transportation improvements quickened the drive and made the country debate slavery in the territories. Boom, the Free Soil Movement was born and had their first convention at the Erie Canal town of.....Buffalo in 1848! Gosh, that was hard. It was hard. Because you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 It was hard. Because you're wrong. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Lol When did the Free Soil movement start? Four decades after the trans Atlantic slave trade was outlawed. Did the Free Soil movement spark that decision retroactively? Maybe they retroactively influenced the religious being applied by abolitionists for two decades prior to their creation. Since you know so much about this subject, perhaps you could explain to us how the abolitionist movement was influenced by a party that began a decade after their inception? Did railroads slow the spread of slavery from the 1830s through the 1850s? Of course not. The numbers backing this up are overwhelming. The slave trade was growing and profiting right up until the war became inevitable. Free trade, railroads did not help to end slavery. It took war to end slavery, not technology and trade. Like I said, you don't know your dick from your assshole in this subject. Pretending that you do is funny to those of us who have a handle on this area of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Oh sure, so they are opening trade and then not allow Cubans to do anything with trade. Ya right Without big changes in Cuba, things will not get better for the Cuban people. I don't think Obama breaking silence with Cuba is a bad thing. I just think he should have asked for more in return before re-opening relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Without big changes in Cuba, things will not get better for the Cuban people. I don't think Obama breaking silence with Cuba is a bad thing. I just think he should have asked for more in return before re-opening relations. Or perhaps for anything in return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Or perhaps for anything in return? What are you talking about. He got to do the wave at a baseball game on ESPN. He's got game, man. You notice, though, no one asked him to throw out the first pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 It's easy. Just on the largest front, opening the west, transportation improvements quickened the drive and made the country debate slavery in the territories. Boom, the Free Soil Movement was born and had their first convention at the Erie Canal town of.....Buffalo in 1848! Gosh, that was hard. The Erie Canal caused the Free Soil Movement because Buffalo was at the terminus? You're a !@#$ing idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The Erie Canal caused the Free Soil Movement because Buffalo was at the terminus? You're a !@#$ing idiot. No I think they got of a boat in Buffalo and had a beer......or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 The Erie Canal caused the Free Soil Movement because Buffalo was at the terminus? You're a !@#$ing idiot. No, you don't understand...again. Want to argue this out? Really? Erie Canal allowed for the movement to happen in many ways, just like Seneca Falls was on the canal and the women's movement thing. There were several big abolitionist conventions in Buffalo and along the canal. Transportation matters. Technology has a big affect on society. The Canal also had a major in spread religious revivalism in the 1820's and 1830's. Another example was the steam boat. Going up the Mississippi was possible only to St Louis--there were rapids there that boats could not cross--and in 1820 there were enough people there to get Missouri in as a state, but what was the big debate about? Slavery, so we got the Missouri Compromise. Transportation improvements also aided in runaway slaves, it brought more northerners to the south to see the horrors of slavery--the guy who created Delaware Park has left us with an extraordinary account of his travels there, Frederick Law Olmstead, so slavery was "closer" to the north now. Without big changes in Cuba, things will not get better for the Cuban people. I don't think Obama breaking silence with Cuba is a bad thing. I just think he should have asked for more in return before re-opening relations. Well, fair enough, but when the Castro's do die, it will be better to have a solid link to the island and a say in what happens there.Hopefully that won't be too long now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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