BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Take it up with Kelly the Dog if you want to question his credibility. Do not call mine into question ever again. The TOS are very clear on this type of behavior; go read them. I've given you two separate links that corroborate the Ebron information. Accept it and move on. I can call you into question whenever I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Except that Whaley did say that Ebron would have been the pick. All that proves is that with drafting Ebron it would have been a not so great choice. "The !@#$ told me their board listed North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin and Louisiana State receiver Odell Beckham. All three still were available at No. 9. The insider said Ebron likely would've been the choice. OTOH, either of the other two would have been great choices, and the Bills would still have that 2015 #1 & #4. While it isn't that big a deal right now. I suspect that around draft time in April next year it will be a huge deal. I still don't like the deal simply because the Bills are still in desperate need of a franchise QB, and next years #1 & #4 could have gotten one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I love making an argument in hindsight and acting like I knew it the entire time. Again, talk to me when their respective careers are over. As for now, I'll stick with the scouting consensus on Watkins and predict he'll have the best career of the bunch. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest otherwise and a ton to suggest they are spot on in their assessments. In the meantime stop acting like some pimple-faced, hormone raging, adolescent boy when you see one of these other rookies make a great catch or have a great game. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 All that proves is that with drafting Ebron it would have been a not so great choice. "The !@#$ told me their board listed North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin and Louisiana State receiver Odell Beckham. All three still were available at No. 9. The insider said Ebron likely would've been the choice. OTOH, either of the other two would have been great choices, and the Bills would still have that 2015 #1 & #4. While it isn't that big a deal right now. I suspect that around draft time in April next year it will be a huge deal. I still don't like the deal simply because the Bills are still in desperate need of a franchise QB, and next years #1 & #4 could have gotten one. You know who else was on their board? Preston Brown. That doesn't mean he was going to be the pick at #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 All that proves is that with drafting Ebron it would have been a not so great choice. "The !@#$ told me their board listed North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron, Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin and Louisiana State receiver Odell Beckham. All three still were available at No. 9. The insider said Ebron likely would've been the choice. OTOH, either of the other two would have been great choices, and the Bills would still have that 2015 #1 & #4. While it isn't that big a deal right now. I suspect that around draft time in April next year it will be a huge deal. I still don't like the deal simply because the Bills are still in desperate need of a franchise QB, and next years #1 & #4 could have gotten one. Odell Beckham...meh...Zach Martin would have been the correct pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's one thing to disagree with the move; it's quite another to create an alternate reality or simply make stuff up just to have fodder for over-aggressive disagreement. Just say you'd prefer to have next year's first AND that you'd have disagreed with the guy they would've taken and be done with it...is that so difficult? Done. I want next year's #1 AND I would have been even more disappointed seeing all these rookie WR lighting it up if they took Ebron. None of that makes me feel very good about Whaley BTW. You and Jauron actually made me feel better about the trade "over payment" It sounds like Whaley was saved from his own poor judgement. Imagine Ebron and Kujo as the 1st 2 picks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Done. I want next year's #1 AND I would have been even more disappointed seeing all these rookie WR lighting it up if they took Ebron. None of that makes me feel very good about Whaley BTW. You and Jauron actually made me feel better about the trade "over payment" It sounds like Whaley was saved from his own poor judgement. Imagine Ebron and Kujo as the 1st 2 picks.... That draft would've been my nightmare...hated both guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think he is a 9 or 10 but his QB brings him down to a 7 CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Done. I want next year's #1 AND I would have been even more disappointed seeing all these rookie WR lighting it up if they took Ebron. None of that makes me feel very good about Whaley BTW. You and Jauron actually made me feel better about the trade "over payment" It sounds like Whaley was saved from his own poor judgement. Imagine Ebron and Kujo as the 1st 2 picks.... Imagine Martin and Kujo too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Odell Beckham...meh...Zach Martin would have been the correct pick. Hey man, I agree 1000%. The Bills were in desperate need of a top run blocking OG, and Martin would have been a terrific choice I still don't like the deal simply because the Bills are still in desperate need of a franchise QB, and next years #1 & #4 could have gotten one. and again! I also think this board is going to explode over this subject next April. Whaley stating that Ebron would have been the coach at #9 just reinforces to me that he doesn't know offensive talent that well, and went with Watkins because he is a can't miss player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 you can declare what ever you want. you are essentially arguing that mid first round draft picks are not valuable. that's ridiculous and casts doubt any pretty much any judgement you make. "Keep in mind this is an NFL Draft study - so even if the player presently has a successful career, he might have been a bust for the team that drafted him in his first 3-5 years in the league, then went on to success elsewhere." - excerpted from the "draft study"- no methodology reported, no criteria for busts or hits, no credentials for the evaluator given and he gives brief unimpressive explanations for a few controversial players that he has subjectively labelled. it's what i imagine the bills have been using in their analytics dept to acheive such poor results. hardly a definitive source. i'm guessing he therefore rate marshawn lynch a bust based on his quote. can't be bothered to look. his opinion means little more than anypone elses. Right...make the effort to discredit the study as opposed to supporting your own stance. Good work. Why not bring some knowledge to the table...it's really quite a simple question to answer: who are you that worried about missing out on with the pick they're likely to have? Another Kenny Vaccarro/EJ Manuel/Jarvis Jones? Guys who are all riding the pine for their respective teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Also, you want educated opinions, here: http://occamskangaroo.blogspot.com/2013/06/overall-draft-sucess-rate.html “I think you have to divide it into top 12 and bottom 20. If you’re in the top 12, it ought to be in the .640 range. That’s about 4.5 guys on average per year out of the seven. You measure that at the end of three years and what you are measuring is whether or not those guys become winning players, guys that contribute to wins. Bottom 20 is .571, that’s four out of seven…"- Bill Polian, former GM of the Colts Raw data with some subjective analysis: http://patch.com/wisconsin/oakcreek/bp--the-nfl-first-round-success-rate-from-2006-2010 Hard numbers based on pro bowl berths over a 10-year period: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-04-22/nfl-draft-2012-first-round-disappointments Now let's hear your reasoning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think he is a 9 or 10 but his QB brings him down to a 7 CBF I keep reading this on how Sammy is being held back by his QB. Then what about the scrubs throwing to Beckham, Evans, Benjamin. Both Eli Manning, and Cam Newton are having very bad seasons Josh McCown is the 28 ranked QB, and yet Mike Evans is the leading yardage receiver, and ranked 15th of all receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I keep reading this on how Sammy is being held back by his QB. Then what about the scrubs throwing to Beckham, Evans, Benjamin. Both Eli Manning, and Cam Newton are having very bad seasons Josh McCown is the 28 ranked QB, and yet Mike Evans is the leading yardage receiver, and ranked 15th of all receivers. I would take Eli and Cam over Orton. And Mike Evans loves him some garbage time. So does KB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I keep reading this on how Sammy is being held back by his QB. Then what about the scrubs throwing to Beckham, Evans, Benjamin. Both Eli Manning, and Cam Newton are having very bad seasons Josh McCown is the 28 ranked QB, and yet Mike Evans is the leading yardage receiver, and ranked 15th of all receivers. I would look at play calling. TB usually plays from behind and therefore passes a lot more than us CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Minus the injuries, play calling and QB play. I give him a 8.5-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Cam and Eli both throw beautiful deep balls. Not sure your point is valid. Watkins would have a significant bump in stats with Cam no question. Eli as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Where can I get an Odell Beckham poster? I'm bored with this Scarlett Johansson. He's on all my magazine covers, too. Oh, and where can I get a pair of glasses? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 One of the best picks ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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