YoloinOhio Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' inside zone running play http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-news/2014/11/5/7156829/buffalo-bills-inside-zone-run-eric-wood-anthony-dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' inside zone running play http://www.buffaloru...d-anthony-dixon Shouldn't the title read 'Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' only running play'? Edited November 6, 2014 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VA Bills Fan Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 While this makes me feel a little bit better about that seemingly over-used play, I'd like to give Bryce more opportunities to hit those holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 While this makes me feel a little bit better about that seemingly over-used play, I'd like to give Bryce more opportunities to hit those holes. This makes me feel worse. To execute a 7-yd run, we need all five linemen and the FB to execute perfectly on their blocks. That probably happens 1 or 2 times a game. If you note in the article, the author made a good point that a lot of teams run out of the spread because then the whole play doesn't fall apart when one guy screws up. That's what we should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shouldn't the title read 'Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' only running play'? I was actually thinking "Broken down Bills inside running game." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Based on the play they used the stills from, Dixon made the wrong cut. Well, made the decision to cut in general. He should have followed Pears and Summers instead of cutting back along the backside of Wood. I didn't read any of the info on it. But that's the mistake I saw in that run play. I have watched CJ do the very same thing for his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shouldn't the title read 'Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' only running play'? Or, "The Bills Inside Run Game is Breaking Down"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shouldn't the title read 'Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' only running play'? The Bills worked on the run game during the bye week, and seem determined to try and get the run game going so Orton doesn't get killed. We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 i'm not even going to read this. the thought of it is just too depressing. "Orton in the shotgun, handoff to Dixon, and he's tackled after a 1 yard gain" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Why ya gotta do it, Yolo? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/171228-the-finer-points-of-ol-play/page__st__20#entry3323652 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) Or, "The Bills Inside Run Game is Breaking Down"? Anatomy of the Bills' Running Game: Breakdown of a Clavicle, a Groin, and a Boobie. Edited November 6, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Shouldn't the title read 'Breaking down the Buffalo Bills' only running play'? This site really needs a like button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 This makes me feel worse. To execute a 7-yd run, we need all five linemen and the FB to execute perfectly on their blocks. That probably happens 1 or 2 times a game. If you note in the article, the author made a good point that a lot of teams run out of the spread because then the whole play doesn't fall apart when one guy screws up. That's what we should do. Yea no kidding. I think I've seen a handful of 4 WR set plays from a spread set over the course of the last year, and a half, and all of them worked for good run yardage. Then I didn't see it again that game. I think Hackett is determined to try and max protect the QB, and simply fails to see the significance of the finer points of continuously running a 4 WR spread set like Gailey used to do. Now that Spiller is gone for the year, Sammy & Fredex banged up I dunno if anything he does will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Yea no kidding. I think I've seen a handful of 4 WR set plays from a spread set over the course of the last year, and a half, and all of them worked for good run yardage. Then I didn't see it again that game. I think Hackett is determined to try and max protect the QB, and simply fails to see the significance of the finer points of continuously running a 4 WR spread set like Gailey used to do. Now that Spiller is gone for the year, Sammy & Fredex banged up I dunno if anything he does will work. I know he is the whipping boy at the moment, but I doubt he fails to see anything. He is someone who does this for a living and has been doing so for quite some time. My would think there may be other, unknown, reasons why this is(has not been) not the O-Line formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I know he is the whipping boy at the moment, but I doubt he fails to see anything. He is someone who does this for a living and has been doing so for quite some time. My would think there may be other, unknown, reasons why this is(has not been) not the O-Line formation. He doesn't run out of the spread as much because the RB has to take the handoff and then run from a dead stop, with less room to the OL (~5 yards behind the LOS versus 7 or 8 from a deep back set), as opposed to having momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 In my mind I envision the back that could make these running plays work - Is big enough that he can make contact and not have it force him to try to run away from that contact - Has the ability to break a tackle - Has the burst that once he gets past that first tackle.......he is past the second level of the defense and gone without trying to find a way to cut the ball to the outside - Has someone decent field vision to actually see the hole Freddie has a few of these attributes I am hoping Bryce Brown has them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 I know he is the whipping boy at the moment, but I doubt he fails to see anything. He is someone who does this for a living and has been doing so for quite some time. My would think there may be other, unknown, reasons why this is(has not been) not the O-Line formation. he doesn't run out of a spread because he thinks there is some benefit to being really "physical" in the run game-- I heard him say this after the jets game. It is hogwash. The only guys getting pushed back are our own linemen; we need a much more finesse run game, since our guys can't power run block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Allow me to break it down: it's broken down. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I know he is the whipping boy at the moment, but I doubt he fails to see anything. He is someone who does this for a living and has been doing so for quite some time. My would think there may be other, unknown, reasons why this is(has not been) not the O-Line formation. You would seriously think that its inconceivable that an NFL offensive coordinator could be so limited in his understanding of offensive schemes, considering he is supposed to be a "professional". Yet so many people make an attempt to do that job and fail miserably. Remember Alex Van Pelt? Ex NFL backup QB for the Buffalo Bills who played 9 years for the Bills before turning to coaching after his playing career ended. In 2008 he became an assistant coach as offensive quality control (2006-2007). Then he became QB's coach for 2008. After Jauron fired Turk Schonert two weeks before the start of the 2009 season AVP took over as OC, and the result of that promotion is that he has been a QB's coach with various teams since his one year as OC, Bucs & Packers. So, even though poor AVP was forced to endure a season with Jauron as HC part of the year, and Perry Fewell along with Trent Edwards & Fitz as starting QB's the team was about last in the NFL in offense that season. BTW, Nathaniel Hackett was the Bills assistant for offensive quality control (2008-2009), after a two year stint with Tampa Bay in the same capacity. Besides that NFL experience Hackett has 7 years floating around college teams as an assistant. His entire claim to fame came as OC for the Syracuse Orangemen for two seasons under Marrone. Their best season was 8-5, and fourth place in the division. Turk Schonert was another ex NFL player who was also a backup QB, and played 9 years for different teams Bears, Falcons, and his longest stay was with the Bengals as backup to Boomer Esiason. He was also an OC for the Bills for one year under Dick Jauron, and after that firing has yet to return to coaching in the NFL. Hackett is no better then either AVP or Schonert, and really isn't all that bright or brilliant when it comes down to ingenuity or innovation in building an offensive game plan to win games. The man is overly simplistic in his running schemes by calling almost the very same plays up the middle over, and over. To the tune of 71% of the time last year, and this year he is on basically the same pace at 68%. The blocking by his offensive line speaks for itself as the teams O line is currently ranked last in the NFL. It was ranked 22nd last year, and 29th in run blocking. Hackett is not really very good at developing a QB's either as his three rookie QB's from last season are, one is riding the bench(EJ), one is on the practice squad(Jeff Tuel), and the last is off the team (Thad Lewis). I look at Nathaniel Hackett and see a George Edwards - Dave Wannstedt type coach that simply can't get the best out of his schemes. The Bills are currently ranked 28th on offense. Which sucks because the defense is currently ranked #7, and they have a decent experienced QB. Lastly Gailey was very successful in using the shotgun draw play with Spiller, and Hackett uses it also. Just not in a real spread set like Gailey used to run, and that is the difference. here is a 5 WR empty backfield shotgun spread set under Gailey, and notice the distance between the O linemen. I don't think I've ever seen Hackett run this set. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZF6uelRU4 Edited November 7, 2014 by FeartheLosing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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