Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Watching Kyle Sunday made think if the Giants can win two Superbowls with Eli then why can't we? For the most part I think physically and football smarts they are about the same but mentally I think Orton is better the Eli in that he doesn't look like a scared bullying victim when he is under pressure. Considering the swag Kyle carries himself with I feel that nothing rattles him and with the talent this team has (minus the O-line) we can make a run like the Giants. Edited October 7, 2014 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Flutie Band Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Orton is better than EJ but let's not get carried away here. Eli was a #1 overall pick, has 3 Pro Bowls, 2 Super Bowls, and is the Giants all time leader in passing yard and touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Orton is better than EJ but let's not get carried away here. Eli was a #1 overall pick, has 3 Pro Bowls, 2 Super Bowls, and is the Giants all time leader in passing yard and touchdowns. Yes but QB to QB do you think Eli is that much better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Flutie Band Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Yes, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Come on now...this can't be a real poll right? Kyle has a decent game and now we are asking if he is better than a 2 time SB MVP and Champ? Not a GM in the world would take Orton over Eli, not one. My fear is that Orton is now this mythological figure here just like Fitz after he put up 300 on Balt (and lost, mostly because of his two Interceptions). After that game, no matter how bad he played people still validated him and cited that one meaningless game. Well Orton lost this week too, except no one told the Detroit kicker. Lets not pretend he put on some all world show here against Detroit. He only won and only got to 300 yards because a Detroit kicker can't hit a single field goal. Would anyone still be posting this stuff if Detroit had hit just one of their FG's and won that game? The answer is no. A crappy out of work kicker does not now somehow elevate Ortons game to elite status like some are painting here. I hope Orton puts up 300, 400 or even 500 yards this week on NE and becomes our best QB since Kelly. But the reality is he had a mediocre game and made a big play at the end to steal a game we should have lost, mostly because of his pick 6 which is why were behind in the first place. I applaud him for coming through at the end to steal a win we needed, but I need to see more before I start believing he can get us to the playoffs. When the MVP of our win is the opposing teams kicker, its probably premature to start polls about Orton and if he's better than a 2 time SB winning QB, especially since he's never even kept a job in his career. Edited October 7, 2014 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 Come on now...this can't be a real poll right? Kyle has a decent game and now we are asking if he is better than a 2 time SB MVP and Champ? Not a GM in the world would take Orton over Eli, not one. My fear is that Orton is now this mythological figure here just like Fitz after he put up 300 on Balt (and lost, mostly because of his two Interceptions). After that game, no matter how bad he played people still validated him and cited that one meaningless game. Well Orton lost this week too, except no one told the Detroit kicker. Lets not pretend he put on some all world show here against Detroit. He only won and only got to 300 yards because a Detroit kicker can't hit a single field goal. Would anyone still be posting this stuff if Detroit had hit just one of their FG's and won that game? The answer is no. A crappy out of work kicker does not now somehow elevate Ortons game to elite status like some are painting here. I hope Orton puts up 300, 400 or even 500 yards this week on NE and becomes our best QB since Kelly. But the reality is he had a mediocre game and made a big play at the end to steal a game we should have lost, mostly because of his pick 6 which is why were behind in the first place. I applaud him for that, but I need to see more before I start believing he can get us to the playoffs. When the MVP of our win is the opposing teams kicker, its probably premature to start polls about Orton and if he's better than a 2 time SB winning QB, especially since he's never even kept a job in his career. Rich Gannon syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Rich Gannon syndrome. I would love this guy to become the next Rich Gannon...who was a mediocre QB at best and then in the right situation and puts up great stats and takes a team to the SB. But this game was not that by any stretch. Granted, he has room to improve considering the circumstances of not being here long, limited playing time last couple years, etc. But some of the stuff on this board right now is way over the top on his game this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I would love this guy to become the next Rich Gannon...who was a mediocre QB at best and then in the right situation and puts up great stats and takes a team to the SB. But this game was not that by any stretch. Granted, he has room to improve considering the circumstances of not being here long, limited playing time last couple years, etc. But some of the stuff on this board right now is way over the top on his game this week. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 What game were you watching? For the better part of 3 quarters the Bills offense looked exactly like it did under EJ. Check downs, short passes and an inability to pick up 1st downs. The only accurate pass downfield that Orton made all game was the one to Goodwin (which was a fantastic pass.) People are always too quick to jump down someone's throat and say they suck and too quick to appoint them the savior. The guy is an average - at best - QB and the Bills will win based on the strength of their defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This reminds me of the thread a few weeks ago where most posters indicated that they would rather have EJ than Eli. I think these comparisons are a bit biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I thought this was going to be a "Trade Kyle Williams for Eli" thread. How disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This reminds me of the thread a few weeks ago where most posters indicated that they would rather have EJ than Eli. I think these comparisons are a bit biased. and dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Come on now...this can't be a real poll right? Kyle has a decent game and now we are asking if he is better than a 2 time SB MVP and Champ? Not a GM in the world would take Orton over Eli, not one. Consider the source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Skelton > Eli > Orton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Rich Gannon syndrome. Doesn't "syndrome" usually imply something is wrong or aberrant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 What symptoms would be associated with Buffalo Barbarian syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Come on now...this can't be a real poll right? Kyle has a decent game and now we are asking if he is better than a 2 time SB MVP and Champ? Not a GM in the world would take Orton over Eli, not one. My fear is that Orton is now this mythological figure here just like Fitz after he put up 300 on Balt (and lost, mostly because of his two Interceptions). After that game, no matter how bad he played people still validated him and cited that one meaningless game. Well Orton lost this week too, except no one told the Detroit kicker. Lets not pretend he put on some all world show here against Detroit. He only won and only got to 300 yards because a Detroit kicker can't hit a single field goal. Would anyone still be posting this stuff if Detroit had hit just one of their FG's and won that game? The answer is no. A crappy out of work kicker does not now somehow elevate Ortons game to elite status like some are painting here. I hope Orton puts up 300, 400 or even 500 yards this week on NE and becomes our best QB since Kelly. But the reality is he had a mediocre game and made a big play at the end to steal a game we should have lost, mostly because of his pick 6 which is why were behind in the first place. I applaud him for coming through at the end to steal a win we needed, but I need to see more before I start believing he can get us to the playoffs. When the MVP of our win is the opposing teams kicker, its probably premature to start polls about Orton and if he's better than a 2 time SB winning QB, especially since he's never even kept a job in his career. And I thought I was the only one living in a parallel universe. Welcome my friend. What game were you watching? For the better part of 3 quarters the Bills offense looked exactly like it did under EJ. Check downs, short passes and an inability to pick up 1st downs. The only accurate pass downfield that Orton made all game was the one to Goodwin (which was a fantastic pass.) People are always too quick to jump down someone's throat and say they suck and too quick to appoint them the savior. The guy is an average - at best - QB and the Bills will win based on the strength of their defense. Do you mean the Goodwin reception ob a throw that looked like EJs pass to Watkins that got broken up by Grimes. Or like the pass to Chandler that was reviewed and declared a perfect catch? i am so glad we have a quarterback... Orton... who has pinpoint accuracy. Now... someone tell me how to make my emoticon bang his head off of a wall!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 What symptoms would be associated with Buffalo Barbarian syndrome? Your face starts to look like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2002 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 This thread is funny because you can tell who watched the game with a notepad taking notes on everything they want to try to use claim they were right about Orton . Oh how that win must've stung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I cannot for the life of me understand the fetish that some people on this board have for denigrating Eli Manning. Orton has one average-to-mediocre game in which the defense saved the day, and now we're trying to elevate him past a two-time Super Bowl winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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