JC2002

I didnt say the QB is not important where did I say that ? My argument is that we didn't surround our qb with the same things that those teams have and still demand the same results . Pats have 15 years of continuity ...Orton wasnt even in our training camp Seattle has the best rushing attack in the league Carolina is in the NFC south now you tell me how I can read this board and see these type of statements all the time and now that cant be considered trolling . We have no Oline but we should be running like the Seahawks and passing like the Patriots ?

Its not bottom of the league when you come in with no camp that you ignore context to fit your stats into your arguments is the problem . A below average starter wouldn't have gotten anywhere near close to the production that Orton did with no training camp with this team . A below average starter wouldnt have been able to come off his couch and set the record under any circumstances especially ours . A team that aint been to the playoffs in a decade talking about SB is ridiculous and at this time embarrassing because lets face how the hell would we know when we just .500 for the first time in forever .

He didnt put the team on his back but lets stop talking like dude landed in qb heaven and screwed it up actually you said but his play was nowhere close to bottom of the league . So he stepped in with no training camp ,no Oline ,young wideouts ,no running game becomes the Bills all time leader in completion percentage and now somehow its the best we can expect from him ?

How many of those teams have NO Oline ? starting wideouts that are 21 and 22 yrs old ,and no running game ? You want Orton to provide results equal to those qbs in situations that none of those qbs are close to playing in . DENIAL..

thats because you dont take into consideration that they were done with no camp and only 12 games. he wouldve ended up at around 12th in yards and 12th in tds in a full season Actually he did and I love how you conveinetly have a mental block on the 2 game losing streak we were on when he first took over

lol this is gonna be a interesting off season

Are we willing to pay something like six-year, $46.8 million contract with $13 million guaranteed to a guard ? Levitre got something like that from the Titans and he had never made the pro bowl so Im sure lupati will be looking for more than that . We may have to try for Boling but he may be looking something in line with that as well .

they are also a team that has won 6 games . I cant believe people would trade in our first winning season in forever so one guy can pad his stats in a losing season .

This is load of crock the reasons those teams stayed as good as they have is because they didnt buy into this nonsense that you are selling and instead built solid TEAMS that had DEPTH ,and were good on both sides of teh ball and and special teams . They didnt say its all about one guy nowhere close to it they went out of their way to have teams that were not all about one guy

a loser mentality is when you lose so much you actually believe that losing develops players and there is actually some thing known as meaningless games . Saying that we dont have to win this game is exactly a loser would say and exactly how you end up 15 years without the playoffs . Every game is a must win for a winner and every situation is all about doing one thing winning the game you are playing not games you havent played yet . You spend too much trying to win future games and you end up 15 years down the line having won nothing ...oh wait

this is the epitome of silliness If Orton is slipping the tackle of defender who should be blocked by CJ when he rights himself hes looking for CJ because a simple flip or shuffle pass to his right side was the simplest pass to make . The problem was CJ had already given up on the play .

If CJ makes himself available Orton simply pitches him the ball thats simply football and awareness on CJs part considering the defender was on the ground at that time Considering Orton was at 3000 yards at the 12 games mark 18 tds and 64% completion mark and was not even in training camp minicamp with us .We had Oline issues and no running game and youth and inexperience at the wideout spots . Shouldnt you be going ughh if that plan wasnt at least considered now something better might come along but it has to be considered

Well thats just it a SB caliber defense treats them all the same . THEY HATE THEM ALL . They get up for the bad ones just as much for the good ones and when you dont take that approach you are prone to get beat by the Tannehills and Carrs of the NFL.

In a good passing offense with a decent line he averaged well over 7 ypa Our offense sucked before Orton got here

and is 22nd in yards 15th in completion percentage 18th in td passes 19th in QBR 29th ypa this is in 11 games so far with no off season with this team so what players could have came in and done better off the street thats not even taking into account yet the fact that Oline is garbage and we had no running game and he took over one of the worst passing attacks in in the league .

Lovie Smith did using the same principles that Marrone is trying to implement as Orton was 21-12 with the Bears using defense,special teams, running game,

They all had more support than Orton did ?

None of that **** matters because what you fail to want to acknowledge is that EJ had lost the team so it wouldnt have gotten better at all . Thats the dumb crap you try and convince yourself of . Its not Cherry picking if you are 2-2 with @ Lions ,Patriots and @Jets coming up . Thats put us at 4 losses in a row before heading to NY in the midst of a tailspin and one big battle of who is worse EJ or Geno looming in the media . Orton despite his crapped stopped the bleeding if only temporarily but if we dont make that move no saw us coming out of that slide at all because EJ had shown us nothing to convince anyone otherwise which is why the change was made in the first place. This rewriting of history that EJ somehow wouldve stopped the 2 game win streak is desperate ,laughable ,and based on absolutely nothing but a dislike of Orton . Disliking Orton is not enough to justify claims of EJ somehow turning the ship around

Its not about developing Orton but it is about continuing to develop Sammie,Woods,and Hogan. They have all progressed very well this season and considering that Orton is still under contract and could very well be the starter next year as well why wouldn't you continue building on what they have started

Im tired misleading screenshots but it doesn't seem to stop the from doing it . What this screen shot doesn't show is that its a 1st down play after they had just picked up a first down . The reason everyone comes open like that is because the receiver is running a out and up and Orton throws a pump fake on the out that draws everyone and then then tries to him down the sideline which is how the play was drawn up . Now if you want to talk strategy you could say that the OC or someone in the booth should see that on film and try and come back to something similar if the Raiders are biting on the pump fake that hard. You could show them the same look and use that pump fake again and then try and come back Sammie on the post . But then if people were not simply looking at this stuff to try and justify there hate they could see that on the very next series after that they start using the pump fake one way trow another one and fake hand offs and move the ball with the ease . On that Chandler td the very next series was a fake pass to the right side and throw it right back up the middle for the td . So while this play was not successful they used what they saw in it to score a td the next series There were issues but this play wasn't it and is more indictment of the people who want to bash people based on wild assumptions.

What he did in Denver means nothing here ? You seem to be stuck in 5 years ago It doesn't matter if they have common opponents if one guy had minicamp and training camp and the other guy steps in week 4 again some of you have a very serious problem with the facts and context. We lost both CJ and Fred and started throwing 39 times per game but EJ wouldve suddenly went Shane Falco and starting lightning it up in your history rewrite .

We would be 5-10 at this point if we had stayed with EJ and 2-6 at the bye which means season would've been over weeks ago . There is no indication EJ or the team would've recovered from the the tailspin they were starting after Houston. To assume the way EJ was playing that he would've made it past the bye simply because some of you hate Orton is ridiculous.

How did Orton ruin a passing offense that came into this season ranked 28th ?

It will also explain our not making the playoffs for 15 years and our high in wins during that time being 9 .

or once they realized we couldn't run the ball or block all that well they started playing the pass all all the time To be honest its the same Bills we are not good enough