JC2002

Was trying to figure out why you tried to slant the facts to suit argument . The Chiefs were in free fall and Orton came in and they went 2-1 and just missed the playoffs by fg I saw them and on that first one wayne is completely wrong . On that comeback the ball is EXACTLY where it was supposed to be and we just aw Woods run the route in the previous couple of games and make that exact catch but he didn't slip . People are in such a rush to hate that you are nitpicking any and everything . Orton threw a few ducks but that comeback is not one of them

Every QB misses throws that is nothing new but it doesnt matter if Orton starts out 7-7 would still struggle because there is ALWAYS something with is offense , Everyone is inconsistent so missed throws is apart of it but so are many other factors .

considering our inability to get 1 yard on so many occasions this year I will say no one because it all depends on if the Oline decides to show up

So what happened before WEEK 11 in 2008 ? Why did you skip 2010 ? What happened at the end of 2011 ? Why cant it be a mix of things ? Why does it have to be just one ? Why cant Orton have missed on several throws as all Qbs do ? Why cant the playcalling also have been bad at certain times ? he occurrence of one does not completely eliminate the occurrence of the other issues ?

WTF are u talking about ? I asked a question can you answer . All you seem to do is nitpick and me myself Im trying to work my mind around why you think we should have a great passing attack when we didn't have one last year and the Oline is crazily inconsistent. You try and rationalize your hate of one guy while i'm trying to discuss how the entire offense can get better .

Wasnt this pass directly into the wind at the start of the second quarter the same wind that had Rodgers passes outside of the hash marks way off as well in the 1st quarter ?

This is on point However what Hackett is doing is exactly what some were calling for prior to the bye . You go back and read those postgame threads and all anyone ever talked about were the sacks and turnovers despite us going down field and having some success . When you are dealing with a inexperienced offense you have to take to play fast and take the mistakes because we wont be disciplined or experienced enough to mount 15 play 80 yards drives all the time . When you try and bet on the 15 play drives you get exactly what you described tons of mistakes and stymied drives . As for defenses they know Orton likes the seam routes and the back shoulders throw but the issues are that our offense is limited by its inexperience and lack of personnel in keys areas because we have seen Orton make just about every type of throw in the short time hes been here . We simply dont have the counters that are needed for a team that struggles to run the ball . We cant come out and attack teams like we did with Chandler against NE every game because Chandlers not consistent enough. None of our receivers prior to this year have done anything so this is basically their first experience with defense having their eyes on them so its a learning experience for them to adjust to the way defenses have adjusted to them. This puts pressure on everyone on the offense to play mistake free and thats extremely difficult to do even for veteran offenses . One of the things I always think back on is that drive that went over a 100 yards on the final drive . We had penalties,sacks etc but the offense but it didnt matter because they continued attacking and looking for the big play . We need to get back to that even if means running some hurry up early in the game .

In that quote it said in the days before Mike Williams release he didnt get an invitation not that he didnt get invited when Orton first arrived . For all we know he was extended an invitation the very first week and declined and then screwed up in the first game which was the Lions game which made Orton upset and now MW has an attitude the rest of the year after being called out , The coach sees this talks to him as a vet as they are expecting more but MW is set in his ways and so the team moves on .

Actually GB had a bunch of O-line injuries but that line was ranked about 11th and was actually pretty good up the middle

You say he should put the offense in better situation but Ill say this again but you assume you know what they're capable of adjusting on the fly like that and I haven't seen it yet . Hes not gonna step into his throws when the center is usually getting pushed back into him . Hes a pocket passer so hes not looking to slide more than 1-2 yards either way while keeping his eyes down the field and he hasn't been able to do that lately . The lack of the ability to punch it in on the ground within the red zone puts a ton of pressure on the passing game and gives them a very small margin of error . We are at 80% passing rate in the redzone and so everyone knows you are passing . We can be better than we have shown but the margins are so much smaller than other than other teams .

of course we had no passing yards in the first quarter we had our biggest play called back because of offensive pass interference on sammie . When you are starting players at key positions that are so young you will have mistakes and issues that you will have to work through as they get experience .

The offense is not holding the team back YOU are accelerating the time from of the teams development to fit your own needs . In todays game once you decide that your receiving core will all be under 23 you are deciding it will take some time for your offense to catch up to your defense and are willing to wait on it while they get experience . The failure so far comes from the Oline as you have to figure out why you from from top 5 to bottom 5 . If you can figure that out then the offense can certainly compliment the defense next season

Actually he was wrong then and hes wrong now the history of the game says as much

If we improved the Oline and settled on a feature back why couldn't we win more games and why couldnt we go any farther . Not everyone can have a Rodgers to think that we cant go far unless we have one is ridiculous

Plz dont kill their vibe

Who said the receivers were not talented ? The Giants are 5-9 WITH the win today so the goal is to get the first rd pick more touches but they also have a better O-line in fact one of the better Olines. We dont have the Oline where we can play the chucking game and we dont have the running game where we can pound it in from inside the redzone either so the margin of error for our offense is so small that as the season winds down and the book on us has become quite long it becomes harder and harder to do the thing the few things we are good at

Im not making apologizes for anyone just stating the facts to people who obviously think we should have some type of all time great offense but cant even began to say why. We have receiving corp who came into the season with a combined career td count of less than ten but we should be throwing passing tds all over the field We have running attack who fell from top 5 to bottom 5 and we throw 80% of the time in the redzone . Yet somehow its the guy who took over after game 4 that's the problem with the offense . In their relentless mission to blame the offenses failures on one guy they still cant even explain why they think the offense should be better . I said when Orton took over that one of the things that would happen is that we would be able to grade the rest of the offense and we have been . Orton has not played great but man this offense has no identity whatsoever

if we didnt fumble we would be 10-4 If we had Gronkowski we would be 10-4 If we played in the NFC south we would win the division We are what we are and to be wishing we could be changing one thing as if it wouldn't have effects across the board is the fastest way to move backwards

So everyone wanted to get in the endzone but Orton ? He didnt really have a lot of time to throw today and we were in a ton of 3rd and long situations because of penalties . You probably should've watched the rest of the game

Because the offense is not just Orton its an inexperienced receiving corps and the offense as a whole is work in progress. The packers are one of the true man coverage teams and they are good they face Megatron,Jeffrey,and Brandon Marshall all the time so they are physical . One of of the biggest things today was the press man and the packers play it all the time but they are blitzing and if you dont adjust your routes and make your reads the passing game will be in trouble . But thats what the packers do to exploit young receivers they get them so excited about seeing the man coverage that they stop making there reads and breaking off routes and while they may get open the ball doesn't get there because the rush makes it first . But Orton also missed a couple of throws but then the lines blows but then a drop but then a well executed play for big yards that gets called back due to a penalty . You see what Im saying there its ALWAYS something . The main problem with this offense is consistency across the board in executing their assignments from play to play

Where are the offensive tds supposed to come from ? You cant even justify these comments because there is no evidence of the passing game to go off of . The glaring weakness is the Oline and I think everyone saw that

Go watch the the teams with the top receivers and all they do is make highlight reel catches . I cant belive you watch any other team play go watch highlights of the top 5 passers in the league and the sewe the types of catches those receivers make on the regular. Anything over 5 yards in this league and your receivers have to be willing to fight for the ball because you can bump within 5 yards so short throws are always going to be low see Manning and Brady for this . That leaves back shoulder and jump ball throws on our team the seam is guarded heavily as Orton in his first few games was shredding the seams and so that is taken away . We have young receivers and they are inexperienced but they are learning but they are making quite a few mistakes

What would change with a different ? We have one person on this team who prior to this year had more than 5 td catches and thats Chandler who had 6 . We pass 80% of the time in the redzone now because the running game has been ineffective and this is without even bringing up the Oline issues . Who would step in and Give Sammie,Woods,and Hogan the experience that they just don't have yet ? The offense is a work in progress so at this point its about giving the defense some help to win the game even if its not pretty because ultimately its about trying to win based on what your team can actually do not what you hope they can do.

The Pats have had a unprecedented 15 years of continuity lol . Why would you expect our offense to be on the same level as the Patriots ?

Why ? we were not a high scoring team to begin with . How do you name all those issues and expect more points ? I have no problem saying that we blew some opportunities and that Orton himself blew several but the offense has to pretty much play perfect and it just hadn't been able to do it . Is Orton to blame for a fumble in the endzone that puts up 2 scores ? the defensive penalty that puts the opponent inside the 10 in a 12-9 game ? The offense is a work in progress you say we should be to get more points but How ? Mike Williams has more tds in his career(26) than all of our other receivers have combined in their careers and we didnt play the guy . FJ has a 1 TD lead over Orton for the team lead in rushing tds . Looking back on this season so far we have missed opportunities in the passing game but I think Marrone is probably not sleeping at night because of the collapse of the running game .