Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 ironic reaction from Chandler, who instills confidence in no one. Haha; awesome. I actually do that clap thing myself every time chandler has a critical fumble or drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Truth is, EJ sucked out loud and so did the line. They did each other no favors and were the primary reasons the Bills couldn't answer. Precisely. And the defense sucked, too. Team loss. All the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Speak for Wiz all you want but I'm The Wiz. And no, not what I meant. Give him 5+ years, at least in Rivers' case. Now its up to 5+ years? Same time as a thoracic surgeon? I am getting way to old for this. Can we get a Foles or Cousins that can produce in there 2nd year so I can see the team win before I die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Now its up to 5+ years? Same time as a thoracic surgeon? I am getting way to old for this. Can we get a Foles or Cousins that can produce in there 2nd year so I can see the team win before I die? Jim , the young Ones just dont understand our predicament.The folks who keep saying clean house grate me greatly. Time doesn't wait for the Bills to get their s==t together Edited September 24, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdawg in philly Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Here are 5 Vines from the last game that highlight his accuracy issues. In each clip the OL holds up nicely and gives him time to throw. He stands tall in the pocket, makes the correct reads, finds the open man, and then....then....he just misfires. His inconsistent play didn't just start last week either. I can excuse a young QB for not picking up a blitz, for not seeing an open receiver, or for not reading a coverage correctly. But when you do all the aforementioned correctly and simply can't throw a football accurately, well I'm just not sure that's an easily correctable part of a QB's skill set. https://vine.co/u/1126081375733444608 And this Q, is the bottom line!! I was just talking about this with a co-worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Here are 5 Vines from the last game that highlight his accuracy issues. In each clip the OL holds up nicely and gives him time to throw. He stands tall in the pocket, makes the correct reads, finds the open man, and then....then....he just misfires. His inconsistent play didn't just start last week either. I can excuse a young QB for not picking up a blitz, for not seeing an open receiver, or for not reading a coverage correctly. But when you do all the aforementioned correctly and simply can't throw a football accurately, well I'm just not sure that's an easily correctable part of a QB's skill set. https://vine.co/u/1126081375733444608 Thanks for the Vines! I agree, EJ has to hit those passes to Sammy and Woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) https://vine.co/u/1126081375733444608 So on the first one, there is pressure in his face. On the second, he overthrows Watkins. On the third and fourth, it seems impossible to tell if the receiver is where he is supposed to be. Edited September 24, 2014 by Captain Caveman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Am I missing something, or is no one holding the piss-poor play of the O-line the least bit culpable for the pressure Manuel got? Yes, the line played horribly but if EJ hit those passes to Sammy and Robert Woods the line play would be a moot point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Now its up to 5+ years? Same time as a thoracic surgeon? I am getting way to old for this. Can we get a Foles or Cousins that can produce in there 2nd year so I can see the team win before I die? I understand your frustration, but what, exactly, have Foles and Cousins really done? We want playoff wins and super bowl rings, not flashy stats. Foles is in a good system--good for him. But how many playoff wins does he have? Wasn't Cousins 1-4 as a starter last year? We want to groom a Super Bowl winning QB, not just get a high stats guy. I mean look at Romo. The guy is a fantasy football stud, but who has any faith in him to bring the Cowboys to the promised land? What does it matter if you're not going to win a SB? Let's develop EJ into something special. There's something to be said about investing in someone and truly believing in them, giving them an opportunity to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Here are 5 Vines from the last game that highlight his accuracy issues. In each clip the OL holds up nicely and gives him time to throw. He stands tall in the pocket, makes the correct reads, finds the open man, and then....then....he just misfires. His inconsistent play didn't just start last week either. I can excuse a young QB for not picking up a blitz, for not seeing an open receiver, or for not reading a coverage correctly. But when you do all the aforementioned correctly and simply can't throw a football accurately, well I'm just not sure that's an easily correctable part of a QB's skill set. https://vine.co/u/1126081375733444608 In those passes to Sammy and Woods it looks like he's aiming his passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sammy was supposed to sit down in the zone on one of the misses instead of staying on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Jim , the young Ones just dont understand our predicament. The folks who keep saying clean house grate me greatly. Time doesn't wait for the Bills to get their s==t together No it's not waiting for the Bills and it sure is not waiting for me. I was serious I may not live to see playoffs. Now its up to 5+ years? And the topper was I just watched the skins-eagles game and Foles and Cousins[not Manning-brady-Brees-the usual is that what you expect from EJ names] light up the score board. Do they really have that much more NFL experience than EJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Now its up to 5+ years? Same time as a thoracic surgeon? I am getting way to old for this. Can we get a Foles or Cousins that can produce in there 2nd year so I can see the team win before I die? I was referring to Rivers. He hit his stride around his 5th year. Give EJ 2 more games for all I care. Some people are going to hang on to the last 14 years of "I see the same thing from EJ that I saw in JP, Trent, RJ, etc". Are we really going to give up that much to let it play out is my point? I'm sure Orton is going to light the turf on fire once we put him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Funny I recall how for about half of the season when Fitzpatrick was playing well, suddenly the persistent OL issues disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I understand your frustration, but what, exactly, have Foles and Cousins really done? We want playoff wins and super bowl rings, not flashy stats. Foles is in a good system--good for him. But how many playoff wins does he have? Wasn't Cousins 1-4 as a starter last year? We want to groom a Super Bowl winning QB, not just get a high stats guy. I mean look at Romo. The guy is a fantasy football stud, but who has any faith in him to bring the Cowboys to the promised land? What does it matter if you're not going to win a SB? Let's develop EJ into something special. There's something to be said about investing in someone and truly believing in them, giving them an opportunity to grow. I'll take getting to the playoffs at this point. That'd be nice. Funny I recall how for about half of the season when Fitzpatrick was playing well, suddenly the persistent OL issues disappeared. EJ needs to figure out how to beat the pressure over the middle. That's really it. Some posters will argue we need 4 Pro-Bowlers and a HoFer on our offensive line. That's not realistic. If Ej starts making them pay, they'll back off. Until then, we'll see this kind of performance more often than not. Was Denver's O-line top 10 before Manning went there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Let's develop EJ into something special. There's something to be said about investing in someone and truly believing in them, giving them an opportunity to grow. I might do that with my children, not a NFL QB. Point is Foles and Cousins are very near the same experience level as EJ but seem to be far ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I'll take getting to the playoffs at this point. That'd be nice. EJ needs to figure out how to beat the pressure over the middle. That's really it. Some posters will argue we need 4 Pro-Bowlers and a HoFer on our offensive line. That's not realistic. If Ej starts making them pay, they'll back off. Until then, we'll see this kind of performance more often than not. Was Denver's O-line top 10 before Manning went there? The All-22 film confirms what everyone should have seen on the broadcast. He wasn't pressured on every down and missed a lot of makable throws that would have extended drives. The lack of rapport with the receivers is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) I'll take getting to the playoffs at this point. That'd be nice. EJ needs to figure out how to beat the pressure over the middle. That's really it. Some posters will argue we need 4 Pro-Bowlers and a HoFer on our offensive line. That's not realistic. If Ej starts making them pay, they'll back off. Until then, we'll see this kind of performance more often than not. Was Denver's O-line top 10 before Manning went there? I agree with you on this. I really wish we didn't commit to the "we are a run 1st team" when every team is gunning for the run on 1st and 2nd down and when EJ doesn't convert on 3 and 5+ it's his fault. They need to throw the ball more on 1st and 2nd down The All-22 film confirms what everyone should have seen on the broadcast. He wasn't pressured on every down and missed a lot of makable throws that would have extended drives. The lack of rapport with the receivers is scary. I don't know so I'm seriously asking, how many of his throws were needed to convert a 3rd down? I think the play calling needs to give him a shot on 1st and 2nd down the toss the ball when they are continually stacking the box. Again, I don't know the numbers so correct me if I'm wrong. Edited September 24, 2014 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I agree with you on this. I really wish we didn't commit to the "we are a run 1st team" when every team is gunning for the run on 1st and 2nd down and when EJ doesn't convert on 3 and 5+ it's his fault. They need to throw the ball more on 1st and 2nd down I don't know so I'm seriously asking, how many of his throws were needed to convert a 3rd down? I think the play calling needs to give him a shot on 1st and 2nd down the toss the ball when they are continually stacking the box. Again, I don't know the numbers so correct me if I'm wrong. It wasn't just third downs. There were a couple of designed rollouts where he checked down or didn't throw. The offense wasn't clicking at all, and I think the fault lies with the general. I really need to get the All-22, because I don't know if he didn't want to throw into tight coverage or just missed the read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Funny I recall how for about half of the season when Fitzpatrick was playing well, suddenly the persistent OL issues disappeared. Best job in the world is a skill player for the Bills. When you screw up it's ALWAYS the OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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