26CornerBlitz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 And you will do the same thing should EJ succeed. Hypocrite much! If EJ succeeds, the Bills will too. Should I be pissed if that happens? Why don't you articulate my take on EJ. I'll bet you have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 If EJ succeeds, the Bills will too. Should I be pissed if that happens? Why don't you articulate my take on EJ. I'll bet you have no idea. I think your take is that EJ will never be as successful as Drew Stanton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think your take is that EJ will never be as successful as Drew Stanton. Mario for Drew Stanton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Same people who defend EJ today were also apologists for Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, JP Losman, Trent Green, Ryan Fitzpatrick, etc. Arguments are futile. Better to just express opinions and move along than get bogged down in a circular game of "show me indisputable evidence to prove opinions formed by watching with your own two eyes." What's truly unfortunate is that apparently posters are expected to pick a side and identify with it, vis-a-vis, you're either a "realist" (which is what someone that has had their mind made up that EJ sucks calls themselves) or an "apologist" (someone that apparently believes EJ is great no matter what). I can tell you for certain that some of the QBs on your list I expected to be good (Losman), while others I did not (Collins, Fitzpatrick). Many of us, despite how you choose to characterize your (apparent) fellow fans, are perfectly capable of watching the game, forming an opinion that is different from yours while still quite valid, and defending it with accurate information. Personally, I haven't at all written off EJ. I think Buffalo can win with him based on the fact that they're 6-7 in games that he's started, and could easily have a better record than that if a few bounces went their way. That doesn't mean that I don't recognize his flaws, and it certainly doesn't make me an apologist. He's played 2 solid games this year and 1 terrible game. The team is 2-1 and tied for the lead in the AFC East...the rush to jettison the guy is considerably more absurd and emotionally driven than the wait-and-see approach. How anyone would deny that is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What's truly unfortunate is that apparently posters are expected to pick a side and identify with it, vis-a-vis, you're either a "realist" (which is what someone that has had their mind made up that EJ sucks calls themselves) or an "apologist" (someone that apparently believes EJ is great no matter what). I can tell you for certain that some of the QBs on your list I expected to be good (Losman), while others I did not (Collins, Fitzpatrick). Many of us, despite how you choose to characterize your (apparent) fellow fans, are perfectly capable of watching the game, forming an opinion that is different from yours while still quite valid, and defending it with accurate information. Personally, I haven't at all written off EJ. I think Buffalo can win with him based on the fact that they're 6-7 in games that he's started, and could easily have a better record than that if a few bounces went their way. That doesn't mean that I don't recognize his flaws, and it certainly doesn't make me an apologist. He's played 2 solid games this year and 1 terrible game. The team is 2-1 and tied for the lead in the AFC East...the rush to jettison the guy is considerably more absurd and emotionally driven than the wait-and-see approach. How anyone would deny that is beyond me. Very well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What's truly unfortunate is that apparently posters are expected to pick a side and identify with it, vis-a-vis, you're either a "realist" (which is what someone that has had their mind made up that EJ sucks calls themselves) or an "apologist" (someone that apparently believes EJ is great no matter what). I can tell you for certain that some of the QBs on your list I expected to be good (Losman), while others I did not (Collins, Fitzpatrick). Many of us, despite how you choose to characterize your (apparent) fellow fans, are perfectly capable of watching the game, forming an opinion that is different from yours while still quite valid, and defending it with accurate information. Personally, I haven't at all written off EJ. I think Buffalo can win with him based on the fact that they're 6-7 in games that he's started, and could easily have a better record than that if a few bounces went their way. That doesn't mean that I don't recognize his flaws, and it certainly doesn't make me an apologist. He's played 2 solid games this year and 1 terrible game. The team is 2-1 and tied for the lead in the AFC East...the rush to jettison the guy is considerably more absurd and emotionally driven than the wait-and-see approach. How anyone would deny that is beyond me. The rush to make a change that maybe will win a couple more games this season at the expense of seeing if the first round young QB actually has what it takes to be the teams QB for many years is absurd to me as well. Instant gratification can be a heartless B word I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 He's played 2 solid games this year and 1 terrible game. The team is 2-1 and tied for the lead in the AFC East...the rush to jettison the guy is considerably more absurd and emotionally driven than the wait-and-see approach. How anyone would deny that is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The rush to make a change that maybe will win a couple more games this season at the expense of seeing if the first round young QB actually has what it takes to be the teams QB for many years is absurd to me as well. Instant gratification can be a heartless B word I guess. Assuming this imaginary new player would already know the offense, have chemistry with the WRs, etc. Sure, bring in this Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Shannon Sharpe loves to tell stories about him always yelling at Elway for not getting him the ball when he was open (on every single play). Oh, the disdain he must have had for his QB! Are you intentionally misconstruing my words to make a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 What's truly unfortunate is that apparently posters are expected to pick a side and identify with it, vis-a-vis, you're either a "realist" (which is what someone that has had their mind made up that EJ sucks calls themselves) or an "apologist" (someone that apparently believes EJ is great no matter what). There are actually 3 positions to take and surprisingly not many are interest in the other. Which is that EJ may be to guy but needs time to develop. I am an advocate for letting him sit, learn, refine before putting him back out there. I fail to see why anyone thinks that is not a worthy option. I would not suggest what happened with JP the yoyo that he faced was unfair, but sit EJ and teach him what he needs. Yes he has had good games and bad. Every QB does. But if we are being honest about it most are less than average performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Please link to this stuff. And please demonstrate that the stuff you're referring to is in no way shape or form commonplace in the relationships between QB's and receivers. As I said before, you can choose to believe that all is well inside OBD. Good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 In the same breath... "Forming different opinions after watching the game is completely valid." "Opinions other than mine are absurd and emotionally driven. Denying that is beyond me." Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 As I said before, you can choose to believe that all is well inside OBD. Good for you. Has someone actually reported this? I honestly don't know and would love to see who did. Right now I don't see anything outside of the ordinary frustrations during and after a loss. It's also fair to note that both Woods and Watkins were both at less than full speed last Sunday. I think that negatively impacted their production as well as EJ missing them a few times. Especially Woods whose limited reps last week certainly effected his timing. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 It might be time to put this thing out of it's misery. Of course, what's the record for longest thread? This has to be in the running, We'll shut it (like the new owner threads) at around 75 pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 In the same breath... "Forming different opinions after watching the game is completely valid." "Opinions other than mine are absurd and emotionally driven. Denying that is beyond me." Love it. This, right here, is called intentionally misreading in order to make a straw man argument. I'll go ahead and quote that for you again just to make sure you read it properly: He's played 2 solid games this year and 1 terrible game. The team is 2-1 and tied for the lead in the AFC East...the rush to jettison the guy is considerably more absurd and emotionally driven than the wait-and-see approach. How anyone would deny that is beyond me. So you believe that the rush to jettison a QB that is 2-1 on the season is more valid (and not emotionally-driven) than the wait and see approach? I would love to hear the justification for that. There isn't one. At all. That's not an opinion statement, and if you believe it is, please show me one example--in the history of the NFL--where a team benches a QB in game 3 of the NFL season when he's 2-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Let's play over/under Percent of posters who came to this thread with an open mind, who then, through thoughtful and measured discourse had their opinion evolve. I'm setting it at 0.5% And I'm taking the under. Definitely the under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I think your take is that EJ will never be as successful as Drew Stanton. Stop thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 As I said before, you can choose to believe that all is well inside OBD. Good for you. Well, that's my opinion as you've given it to me. But even if it were, is it just that you refuse to acknowledge the existence of a reality somewhere between it and what you're purporting to be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Stop thinking. That's a change of pace from my usual MO of not even bothering to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yet one fan will be celebrating his team's success. The other is a 'fan' celebrating the team's failure. I'll happily be that hypocrite. This argument is damn near baseless. Virtually everyone here wants the same thing. We want the Bills to be successful. If that includes EJ Manuel then fantastic. I don't care about the person inside the jersey as much as I care about the jersey itself. I don't think that I'm unique in this. If you feel differently then please find me a thread celebrating the team's failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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