Kryk: JBJ never promised to keep Bills in buffalo beyond lease

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@JohnKryk: #BonJovi & Toronto never promised to keep #Bills in Buffalo beyond lease & here's exact wording of their 'pledge': http://t.co/ETZFgD7pO6

[Hapless Bills Fan]

@JohnKryk: #BonJovi & Toronto never promised to keep #Bills in Buffalo beyond lease & here's exact wording of their 'pledge': http://t.co/ETZFgD7pO6

 

Who?

[Captain Hindsight]

Pegula!!!!!

[devldog131]

Bon Jovi... didn't he play running back for the pats* a few years ago?

[The Dean]

"pretzel logic" indeed. The JBJ group was doomed from the word "go". But obviously from what we now know, they were never even a possibility.

[Hplarrm]

This a big part of why the JBJ team did not get the Bills. The NFL in the end is all about what makes the current team owners the most money. Is there anyone out there who does not understand that the current NFL uberguys make the most money by getting their share of a $1.4 billion Bills franchise AND their share of a new Toronto franchise when they expand the league in not too many years from now.

 

Small minds somehow calculate the deal as being either Buffalo or Toronto when it is clear that the NFL makes the most money from having both.

 

if the Bills had moved to Toronto, the NFL would be giving up their share of 45.000+ season ticket holders, 25.000+ individual ticket buyers who routinely have given the Bills (and the other NFL owners for their share of the individual team take) their dollars. Add to that the 100s of millions in local commercial dollars and add to that 100s of million dollars in NY governments corporate welfare which is given to the Bills.

 

This money does not travel with the team and even though it might probably be replaced by even larger amounts from buyers in the bigger Toronto market, the NFL does not tend to give away money and it is incredibly doubtful to me that they will.

 

I think it should have been clear to anyone analyzing the game that the Bills were gonna remain here.

[gobilz]

back to the 80s he goes

[BillsPride12]

TERRY TERRY TERRY TERRY

[LeGOATski]

Old news?

[The Dean]

Old news?

 

Not really. We never had confirmation their promise to the Trust was as empty as Bon Jovi's letter in the Snooze. This was the stake in the heart of the TO group, after they had been splashed with holy water, touched by a cross and exposed to daylight,

[jr1]

Aqua Net huffing freak

[devldog131]

This a big part of why the JBJ team did not get the Bills. The NFL in the end is all about what makes the current team owners the most money. Is there anyone out there who does not understand that the current NFL uberguys make the most money by getting their share of a $1.4 billion Bills franchise AND their share of a new Toronto franchise when they expand the league in not too many years from now.

 

Small minds somehow calculate the deal as being either Buffalo or Toronto when it is clear that the NFL makes the most money from having both.

 

if the Bills had moved to Toronto, the NFL would be giving up their share of 45.000+ season ticket holders, 25.000+ individual ticket buyers who routinely have given the Bills (and the other NFL owners for their share of the individual team take) their dollars. Add to that the 100s of millions in local commercial dollars and add to that 100s of million dollars in NY governments corporate welfare which is given to the Bills.

 

This money does not travel with the team and even though it might probably be replaced by even larger amounts from buyers in the bigger Toronto market, the NFL does not tend to give away money and it is incredibly doubtful to me that they will.

 

I think it should have been clear to anyone analyzing the game that the Bills were gonna remain here.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath on there being two franchises in the same market. Toronto, as we know, is considered part of the Buffalo Bills regional market. While this market is capable of supporting one franchise, it is clearly not capable of supporting two franchises.

 

In the Toronto series games, Rogers and the Toronto metro area weren't able to sell out even one game a year in a stadium that is too small to be considered a home for an NFL team. You think the league wants to see 8 (or 9) games a year in Toronto with half (or more) of the seats empty?

 

The move of the Bills franchise only seemed feasible to the league because they assumed, however incorrectly, that the bulk of loyal Bills fans would follow the team to Toronto and fill the stadium there. As was made painfully obvious to the guys on Park Avenue, that was clearly not the case.

[The Dean]

I wouldn't hold my breath on there being two franchises in the same market. Toronto, as we know, is considered part of the Buffalo Bills regional market. While this market is capable of supporting one franchise, it is clearly not capable of supporting two franchises.

 

 

This is simply not the case. We like to think it is, as the Bills have done a very good job of cultivating the Toronto market. But they are, in reality, two completely distinct markets for virtually all commercial purposes. The International border assures that.

 

Now if Toronto and Buffalo were in the same country, they would likely be in the same market.

[devldog131]

 

 

This is simply not the case. We like to think it is, as the Bills have done a very good job of cultivating the Toronto market. But they are, in reality, two completely distinct markets for virtually all commercial purposes. The International border assures that.

 

Now if Toronto and Buffalo were in the same country, they would likely be in the same market.

 

I am not stating that Toronto in in the same market in terms of trade, finance, or business.

 

However:

 

"Toronto is less than 100 miles driving distance from Buffalo. But as the Canada goose flies, it's only about 60 miles away, well within the NFL's 75-mile radius of a team's marketing territory."

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2008-12-04-toronto-cover_N.htm

Edited September 14, 2014 by devldog131

[The Dean]

I am not stating that Toronto in in the same market in terms of trade, finance, or business.

 

However:

 

"Toronto is less than 100 miles driving distance from Buffalo. But as the Canada goose flies, it's only about 60 miles away, well within the NFL's 75-mile radius of a team's marketing territory."

 

http://usatoday30.us...nto-cover_N.htm

 

 

 

I am not stating that Toronto in in the same market in terms of trade, finance, or business.

 

However:

 

"Toronto is less than 100 miles driving distance from Buffalo. But as the Canada goose flies, it's only about 60 miles away, well within the NFL's 75-mile radius of a team's marketing territory."

 

http://usatoday30.us...nto-cover_N.htm

 

How do you explain San Francisco and Oakland? The Giants and the Jets? The LA---or yeah, never mind.

 

I don't think Toronto is a football time or can/will support a team,. But I can think of no reason why an NFC team can't be put there.

[devldog131]

Apologies for the multi post. The joys of a smart phone and a shoddy network connection.

 

The SF/Oakland metropolitan area, which in all reality the San Jose metropolitan area, is significantly larger that the Buffalo Market. Most are unaware, but the city of San Jose is the 10th largest city in America and the third largest in California (behind LA and San Diego) and SF and Oak are right behind at 4 and 5 respectively.

 

The Giants and Jets are in the nation's largest market.

 

Also, SF and the Giants were members of the NFL, Oakland and the Jests were part of the AFL. The fact that they were in those locations so when the merger took place is why they are so close together.

 

But the Raiders moved to LA, you say. That's true, they did. But in some roundabout way they managed to retain their territorial rights in Oakland, thereby enabling their move back.

Edited September 14, 2014 by devldog131

[The Dean]

Apologies for the multi post. The joys of a smart phone and a shoddy network connection.

 

The SF/Oakland metropolitan area, which in all reality the San Jose metropolitan area, is significantly larger that the Buffalo Market. Most are unaware, but the city of San Jose is the 10th largest city in America and the third largest in California (behind LA and San Diego) and SF and Oak are right behind at 4 and 5 respectively.

 

The Giants and Jets are in the nation so largest market.

 

Also, SF and the Giants were members of the NFL, Oakland and the Jests were part of the AFL. The fact that they were in those locations so when the merger took place is why they are so close together.

 

But the Raiders moved to LA, you say. That's true, they did. But in some roundabout way they managed to retain their territorial rights in Oakland, thereby enabling their move back.

 

But in this case, we'd be talking about the Buffalo-Toronto market. You said so yourself, right? The TO market has over 5 Million people. I believe the Toronto-Buffalo market is bigger than the SF market. I may be wrong, but I bet it's close.

[devldog131]

But, again, those particular teams are only in the same markets because one was in the AFL and one was in the NFL prior to the merger and remained in those markets after the merger took place.

[The Dean]

But, again, those particular teams are only in the same markets because one was in the AFL and one was in the NFL prior to the merger and remained in those markets after the merger took place.

 

I'm with you on thinking TO isn't the best place for an NFL team. But if they want to expand there, they will have no problem doing so, The International border makes these two distinctly different markets. The size of the combined markets is more than big enough to support two teams (though I would have an issue with an AFC team in TO). The Oakland situation provides precedent.

 

You know what I think is crazy? The 49ers have been relocated with nary a peep. The are now the San Jose 49ers. Is nobody complaining? Granted Candlestick Park was a horrendous football stadium, but to move nearly an hour away seems a bit drastic. I understand San Jose has many more people than San Francisco, but the are the SF 49ers, are they not? This would be like moving the Bills to Hamilton (without the border issue) and still calling them the Buffalo Bills. I wonder why more people aren't complaining.

[jimmy10]

I KNEW Bon Jovi couldn't be trusted! And you all wanted him as the next owner!