truth on hold Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Not neccesarily. Work places often have rules to regulate things to protect their image that may exceed rules and punishments established by civil norms. As an example, a restaurant may have hygiene or wardrobe regulations for it's employees. Violation of these rules may result in penalties such as days off without pay and repeated violations could lead to long term "suspension" or termination. These penalties exceed those that would be issued in civil or criminal cases but are within the right of the employer to protect their corporate image. The NFL has the right to levy stricter penalties than normal criminal or civil cases, in order to protect their brand. As to whether this works as a detergent compared to the alternative, I couldn't say unless I saw that strategy in action. I didn't say they didn't have the right, the union agreed to it. But how are the NFL penalties determined? Shouldn't it be non-arbitrary since we're talking about putting them in conditions that may worsen their addiction and ruin careers, wherein they have not quantified a benefit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) Whoa! @ProFootballTalk: A new drug testing agreement could benefit Wes Welker and Josh Gordon http://t.co/iXTwpZxd0L Florio said if new substance policy is in play by Sunday, Gordon could have suspension lifted. Edited September 4, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 I didn't say they didn't have the right, the union agreed to it. But how are the NFL penalties determined? Shouldn't it be non-arbitrary since we're talking about putting them in conditions that may worsen their addiction and ruin careers, wherein they have not quantified a benefit? I hope they are not arbitrary. I know some are based strictly on precedence, while others (like the new domestic violence clause) appear to be well defined. I also hope they provide structured counseling during long term suspensions like the one handed down to Gordon, but at the end of the day that is not really their responsibility. Rehabilitation ultimately is the responsibility of the individual, even though there should be a moral obligation or at least a selfish financial obligation of support provided by those closest to the player, including the team that benefits from their athleticism. Whoa! @ProFootballTalk: A new drug testing agreement could benefit Wes Welker and Josh Gordon http://t.co/iXTwpZxd0L Florio said if new substance policy is in play by Sunday, Gordon could have suspension lifted. So if they are willing to retroactively reduce suspension already handed down, why wouldn't they increase Ray Rice's suspension to 6 games in accordance to that change? Shouldn't be able to have it both ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 Reportedly, Josh has been telling customers at the car dealership he is working at that he is playing on Sunday. Quick, pick him up in FF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 So if they are willing to retroactively reduce suspension already handed down, why wouldn't they increase Ray Rice's suspension to 6 games in accordance to that change? Shouldn't be able to have it both ways... i dont know if you missed it but rice is now indefinite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 This isn't how I envisioned him making it back but I did think he would for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Gordon and Welker will both benefit from this: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/170674-nfl-and-nflpa-working-on-a-new-drug-policy/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 i dont know if you missed it but rice is now indefinite. Looks like he posted that last week, before the suspension was lengthened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Reportedly, Josh has been telling customers at the car dealership he is working at that he is playing on Sunday. Quick, pick him up in FF! Drafting him in last round of my draft looks like genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 10, 2014 Author Share Posted September 10, 2014 Drafting him in last round of my draft looks like genius! I just checked in mine, and he isn't available. Drat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 I just checked in mine, and he isn't available. Drat! I drafted him thinking he might file a lawsuit and play in a few games in the short term. Totally changing the policy came out of nowhere. This is going to be huge (for my FF team and I guess for Gordon too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2014 Share Posted September 10, 2014 Looks like he posted that last week, before the suspension was lengthened touche - being right at the end of the thread, i assumed it new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 The new drug policy must be getting close to being voted in and implemented. @MaryKayCabot #browns oc Kyle shanahan on Josh Gordon: "if Josh were able to play this week I'd like to get him out there. I think he'd be able to help" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 6m Schefter reporting Gordon suspension will be 8 games. assuming that means we'll see him week 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 6m Schefter reporting Gordon suspension will be 8 games. assuming that means we'll see him week 10 best dollar i ever spent on the waiver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 6m Schefter reporting Gordon suspension will be 8 games. assuming that means we'll see him week 10 It will be reduced to a 12 game suspension so he can come back in time to play the Bills in week 13! I'm kidding of course... If he gets 12, he will miss the Bill game. Their bye week is really early, like week 4. Well my math and guess may have been slightly off but I knew he would be back in time for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Sigmund Bloom @SigmundBloom 6m Schefter reporting Gordon suspension will be 8 games. assuming that means we'll see him week 10 Just in time for a tune-up before the fantasy playoffs begin. beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) Jay Feely, a rep and intimately involved in negotiations, very clearly INTIMATED that Gordon WILL NOT be suspended for any games. @MichaelSalfino Quote from the video from Jay Feely, who is on the NFLPA executive committee: A guy who may have tested and his THC level was minute, but it popped him, he could then in retro... we fought hard for this policy to be enacted and have it retroactive so that anyone from the end of last season who tested positive, who under this new deal wouldn't have tested positive, would have it applied retroactively. Edited September 12, 2014 by section122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) I'm so glad I snagged him last week. Everybody in my league laughed at me, but who's crazy now? WHO'S CRAZY NOW!? Edited September 12, 2014 by sodbuster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'm so glad I snagged him last week. Everybody in my league laughed at me, but who's crazy now? WHO'S CRAZY NOW!? Just saw that he was still available in one of my leagues. Welcome to the bench, Josh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts