What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[Tiberius]

6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Irrelevant 

 

No, you said cars kill, too. 

 

But we need autos, very much. Guns? Not so much

 

We can agree on that, correct? 

23 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

hundreds of mass shootings, thousands of violent shootings every year.

 

the anti-second crowd will do anything to keep the focus on the outliers and emotions to push the agenda.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not anti-second, but that doesn't mean ar15s should be legal. Neither should .50 caliber machine guns 

 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, you said cars kill, too. 

 

But we need autos, very much. Guns? Not so much

 

We can agree on that, correct? 

I'm not anti-second, but that doesn't mean ar15s should be legal. Neither should .50 caliber machine guns 

 

 

 

Maybe where you're from. Where I'm from, MANY of us hunt for food. That's been happening ever since the first firearm was invented in the 6th century. 

 

And that's out of left field... .50 caliber machine guns (Ma Deuce?)??? When did that become a problem? LOL

[BillStime]

14 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Irrelevant 

 

No one cares if you want to dress up like J. Edgar Hoover. No one cares if you make out with your boyfriend in front of your wife's boyfriend. 

 

What most conservatives want? Don't need to push it on us... don't need to teach it to 4 year olds. Don't need to have a stupid parade. We aren't having parades about heterosexuals'. 

 

AND NO ONE WANTS TO GET THEIR HEADS BLOWN OFF YOU IDIOT

 

 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Maybe where you're from. Where I'm from, MANY of us hunt for food. That's been happening ever since the first firearm was invented in the 6th century. 

 

And that's out of left field... .50 caliber machine guns (Ma Deuce?)??? When did that become a problem? LOL

Not having ar 15's will not effect your ability to hunt. 

 

Can't believe someone is arguing guns are as important as automobiles 

[ArdmoreRyno]

21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Not having ar 15's will not effect your ability to hunt. 

 

Can't believe someone is arguing guns are as important as automobiles 

 

One is in our Bill of Rights. The other is not. 

 

Firearms are more important to people in the United States. Not even close. We went hundreds of years without cars. We can do without them. 

 

And again, you don't get to tell me what I can use to hunt with. I use the AR platform to hunt deer (.308) and hogs (300 AAC Blackout). I use my AR-15 when I have to take down rabid animals on my property (live on 30 acres). There has been rabid raccoons, skunk and one bobcat. I had to shoot several coyote a few years ago that were attacking my dogs. I wouldn't do that with a bolt action hunting rifle. Wouldn't hut hogs with a bolt gun either (or shotgun). It's just dumb to do so. Not when we have a platform like the AR.

[BillStime]

Welcome to NRAmerica

 

 

[BillStime]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

If you concluded the gun was the problem here and not the deliberate breakdown of society, you’re the problem.

Same nut job

 

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Normalize murder?  Unreal.   

jfc

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Did anyone see yet if a single democrat on here vowed to relinquish their second amendment rights voluntarily and agree all democrats should follow suit by surrendering all of their firearms? 
 

statistically gun ownership will decrease, so it’s a sure win. 
 

I’m not sure why this isn’t happening 

[Roundybout]

 

Edited May 10, 2023 by Roundybout

[LeviF]

His tattoos are brand new lol

[ArdmoreRyno]

11 hours ago, LeviF said:

His tattoos are brand new lol

I noticed the same thing when the NY Post released photos. 
 

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

Welcome to NRAmerica

 

 

Liberal anti-gun source who’s counting gang shootings. Again, let’s go by FBI standards. 
 

When we can’t even agree on what an actual “mass shooting” really is, we will never get anywhere. It diminishes horrible shootings like what took place in Allen, Texas.   

[Tommy Callahan]

11 hours ago, LeviF said:

His tattoos are brand new lol

The picture that doesn't have his head in it?  

 

Crazy how some shooters like the other one in Texas (Cult and gang member killed entire family) or the Tenn one gets NO follow up and no release of motive or social media. (mandifesto)

 

this one has some sketchy Russian created social media post the media is quick to publish.

 

 

 

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

The picture that doesn't have his head in it?  

 

Crazy how some shooters like the other one in Texas (Cult and gang member killed entire family) or the Tenn one gets NO follow up and no release of motive or social media. (mandifesto)

 

this one has some sketchy Russian created social media post the media is quick to publish.

 

 

 

 

Yeah. Which may or may not actually be him but if we're going to use it as proof positive that he's a nazi then it's fair to address it from that angle coming the other direction.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 hours ago, Roundybout said:

 

the Left

 

”yes!!! Finally got one that fits the narrative … woohooo!!!!, what? Latino? … eh close enough!!” 

[B-Man]

 

 

The Left's solution.   

 

                       

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[aristocrat]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Update:

 

Pinning down Garcia’s motive remains a challenge as, thus far, no note or manifesto has been located.

 

What they have determined is that Garcia’s focus appears to have been the location, rather than any particular demographic.

 

Sibley said investigators have determined the shooter targeted the location of the outlet mall rather than a specific group of people.

“He was very random in the people he killed,” Sibley said. “It didn’t matter the age, race or sex, he just shot people, which is horrific in itself.”

 

As noted, there is no indication Garcia had worked at the mall, so his reason for choosing that location remains unclear. 

 

https://redstate.com/smoosieq/2023/05/10/updated-info-on-the-allen-texas-mall-shooter-n743564

[B-Man]

 

 

We Must Defend Self-Defense. 

 

The left wants to use the power of the state to ensure that people can’t defend themselves against its client groups, so that they’ll have to defend on . . . the left for protection.

 

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2023/05/08/we-must-defend-self-defense-n2622928

 

 

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[B-Man]

 

 

Weaponizing Death

Death is traumatic enough, without searching for ways to gain political traction from it. 

By Victor Davis Hanson

 

Recently there has been a spate of horrific murders.

 

The killers, whether committing mass shootings or single homicides, are hard to stereotype. 

 

They can be clearly either mentally ill or simply innately evil. They can kill for revenge, for ideological purposes, out of hatred, for notoriety—or for no known reason at all. 

 

They are probably left-wing and right-wing, white, black, and brown, young, and old. While their weapons of choice are semiautomatic rifles, there are plenty of killers who favor handguns and even knives. 

 

Unfortunately, these tragedies increasingly have become politicized. 

 

Yet our media and politicians do not apply a common standard of reporting about either the victims, the killers, or the apparent motives and circumstances of the violence. 

 

Instead, each horror is quickly analyzed for its political usefulness. Then its details are electively downplayed or emphasized, depending upon the political agenda at work. 

 

A sad example was the terrible murder spree at the private Christian Covenant School in Nashville. A transgender male lethally shot six people, including three 9-year-old children.

 

Almost immediately, three media narratives emerged. 

One, semiautomatic weapons, not the killer Audrey Hale, were mostly responsible for the massacre.

Two, the shooter’s transgender identity profile played no role in the killing whatsoever.

Three, the public had no need to know of the contents of the shooter’s “manifesto.” 

Why?

The media and authorities apparently assumed Hale’s written rantings tried to justify the murders because of Christianity’s supposed disapproval of transgenderism. 

 

That censored reaction to the Tennessee shooting was quite different from another mass murder committed nearly six weeks later in Allen, Texas by a former security guard Mauricio Garcia. 

Within minutes of the identification of the shooter, the media blared that Garcia wore pro-Nazi insignia and was thus a “white supremacist.” 

Apparently that narrative was deemed useful to promote the idea of white supremacist terrorists using their semiautomatic “assault” weapons to kill for right-wing agendas. 

 

The strained effort to make violent “people of color” into white right-wing killers is reminiscent of Trayvon Martin’s death in 2012. 

 

The media also did not wish to sensationalize either the profile or circumstances of another contemporaneous mass shooter Francisco Oropeza. He executed five of his neighbors, including a young boy and two women.

 

Only later did we learn that Oropeza was in fact an illegal alien who had been deported four times previously and returned each time through an open border.

Most recently, outrage grew over the homicide of Jordan Neely, a homeless man who frequented the subway and often threatened and occasionally attacked bystanders. 

 

When a would-be good Samaritan and ex-Marine determined Neely’s latest threats to passengers were serious, he subdued him with a choke hold. Tragically Neely died while being restrained. 

A media circus followed. Neely was black. The former Marine who held him down was white. So activists and the media immediately cited the death as yet more proof of systemic racism.

The public was lectured that Neely was a talented impersonator, who did professional street imitations of Michael Jackson. 

The violent death of his mother, we were told, had traumatized him.

Released subway videos showed him on the floor of the subway, thrashing about while the white Marine held him in a headlock. 

Protests and demands for a murder indictment followed. 

Then later the inevitable skipped details trickled out, despite, not because of, media coverage. 

Neely had been arrested 42 times, including for lewd conduct, with three convictions for violent assaults. 

His forte was brutally punching random victims in the face, including a 67-year old woman, and a 68-year-old Hispanic male. 

The news stories also neglected to mention that a black passenger helped subdue Neely. 

 

Death is traumatic enough, without searching for ways to gain political traction from it. 

 

It is eerie how each tragedy prompts a desperate effort to spin narratives of a racist America, where only right-wing killers and vigilantes prey on marginalized people of color and the transgendered.

 

Once these fables become “facts,” then the media runs with their fables.

 

https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/10/weaponizing-death/

[aristocrat]