The Wiz Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I could agree but I think you'll agree with me on this. We haven't seen Kouandjio. We've seen him in college and we have seen his projections and stats on paper. But, until we see Kouandjio its hard to see him beating anyone. Hairston and Pears are two very amazing players. Imagine taking their talent and putting them in the bodies of former Bill Mike Williams or Langston Walker. That'd be something. They have so much promise but so little reality. Here's to hoping! Chances of this also being a bad thing??? Let the 3rd stringers finish the games and all, but if we go every preseason game changing the starting lineup to fine tune too much. Hopefully our starting lineup is clear by the end of our 3rd preseason game. I can agree on that point. I guess right now you could call Hairston/Pears penciled in at starting RT and OTA's/TC will indicate whether or not Kouandjio gets bumped. I don't think it is a bad thing to have that many players. I think by the time we get to the 2nd preseason game we should know who's where (also considering we have the HOF game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 I don't see Hairston beating Kouandjio considering he has been out/hurt/natural disaster for almost 2 seasons. My thoughts exactly. In fact, I'd peg things at 50-50 as to whether he may be cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowery4 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) Said Dick Jueron, or was that Greg Williams? Was actually about CBs and was Dick's but then 2 or 3 years later Nix said almost the exact same thing. I for one am kind of excited that they built up the Oline this draft and FA, should be good camp battles. Edited May 25, 2014 by bowery4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Legursky's lack of mobility make him a FA. I hope that is going to be true but only after we upgrade the backup OG/OC position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 "You can never have enough guards." I think this is it exactly. I don't think OBD was happy with our guard play last year. And I don't think at this moment Whaley knows who will start at guard, or who will be cut. He does know that more competition at the position is likely to make the team better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 A couple of things: -Richardson may very well be the best guard on the roster now. He was selected because he was BPA. The former All-American was looked at as a 1st rounder just a few months back. He may not be starting immediately but will be soon enough. -One other reason may be because there isn't depth a center. I think that they probably keep 4 guards (Urbik, Williams, Richardson and Unga). Urbik will also serve as the backup center. Agreed! This. I think the bills probably look at Unga, McClain, and colling (and asper) as one guy. They are probably all competing for one spot. Agreed! Why not? Urbik and Williams are the penciled-in starters, while the Bills probably hope Cyril will push hard for playing time this year and possibly parlay that into a starting role sooner rather than later. I would imagine Legursky is cut at some point without serious offseason improvement, and Unga, McClain and Colling are camp fodder. Asper is intriguing because he was a long lost Bills 6th rounder who spent time on two other teams before resigning. I believe he played some Center is college which may bode well for depth, but I would imagine he's got a steep road ahead of him. Asper can play Center. Him or Urbik I believe or the only options for back up Center. Legursky has good value in that he is a proven veteran who can provide stability should the ship start to sink. With a tenured resume in the league and the ability to play both Guard positions and Center he provides an option should there be an injury or lack of chemistry with the line. If all goes extremely well or extremely bad Cyrl Richardson and Cyrus Kouandjio could be starting by December. Meanwhile, at least in the immediate future Chris Williams and Kraig Urbik start at the OG position with Richardson backing up both positions. There is little reason to believe they cut Seantrel Hendeson but they could try to get him the PS. At the end of the first day we already have Erik Pears and Doug Legursky looking from the outside in and Legursky likely getting the pass because of the ability to play everywhere inside and OC. Figure our depth chart to look like this: Cordy Glenn / Cyrus Kouandjio Chris Williams / Doug Legursky Eric Wood / Doug Legursky Kraig Urbik / Cyril Richardson Chris Hairston / Cyrus Kouandjio / Seantrell Henderson ---- Nine (9) OL on the roster, for those keeping track. There is an off chance Henderson is put on the practice squad and Erik Pears kept on the immediate roster, at least short term. I strongly don't think Legursky will be on the roster! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Agreed! Agreed! Asper can play Center. Him or Urbik I believe or the only options for back up Center. I strongly don't think Legursky will be on the roster! It will depend a lot upon Richardson. If Richardson can supplant Urbik at LG early on and hold the position then Urbik becomes the backup OG and OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Valid question, but very easy answer. 8 guards isn't all that many when you consider other moves the Bills have made in the offseason. First, they shored up what I feel was the weakest position on the team in linebacker by signing Keith Rivers and Brandon Spikes. They backed that up in the draft with the pickup of Preston Brown. The later LB pick adds more depth, but clearly they don't have a need at linebacker to tinker all that much. At QB, we're obviously all in with E.J. The Bryce Brown pickup adds even more depth to the crowded backfield at RB. They're also obviously very young but with a lot of talent in the receiving group. hat leaves in my mind the second biggest weakness of this team last year in offensive line. They were terrible at moving the pile and creating space in the running game. The Chris Williams add in free agency was great, but why not back it up with Richardson, who has upside that's through the roof? I think as this roster is pared down, that the guard position will be one where there will be cuts early. I think Kouandjio will be the starter at RT out of the gates, but why not draft another one late? Pears and Hairston are servicable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintonfallsbillsfan Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 8 is enough Urbik stays he is either a starter or top reserve at guard and center Williams starts, you can find metrics that put him as a good solid player to a disater. Should be fun to see, I bet he will be above average. Richardson is the wildcard one of the rest will be there until the last cut and will have to sweet it out Hairston and Henderson play will probably dictate weather they keep 8 or 9 olineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kellyto83TD Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Because 90% of the guys that were here before FA/ Draft suck. They are literally camp fodder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) Really, guard takes up nearly 10% of your starting lineup (2/22) and it's one of our most up in the air spots on ours. That our current group is at 10% isn't crazy - especially since we were even lower before a good prospect slid to us Edited May 25, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Really, guard takes up nearly 10% of your starting lineup (2/22) and it's one of our most up in the air spots on ours. That our current group is at 10% isn't crazy - especially since we were even lower before a good prospect slid to us Excellent point. By those odds, we should actually expect there to be 9 guards on the roster instead of 8. I.e. 90 players right now is the limit, so 10% of that would be 9. The team is actually LIGHT at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) Excellent point. By those odds, we should actually expect there to be 9 guards on the roster instead of 8. I.e. 90 players right now is the limit, so 10% of that would be 9. The team is actually LIGHT at the position. Figure that didnt count things like kickers and such too.... but it certainly makes 8 look pretty reasonable regardless of if it's just a shade high or low - it's definitely not looking noteworthy either way. Edited May 25, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Legursky's lack of mobility make him a FA. I agree.BTW - what exactly is Hairston's injury & why is it such a secret/mystery ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) Lot's of good comments and interesting points: including depth and backup takes. I guess knowing you have Urbik and the newly signed Williams certainly as starters and 5th rd. draft Richardson, you might expect the starters to get as many reps. as possible as two new O-line starters and these guys have never played together. J.J. Unga? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Unga http://www.nfl.com/p...2541759/profile Edited May 25, 2014 by San-O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Colin Brown and Doug Legursky may have been the worst pair of contending left guards in the NFL last year? This is why there are so many guards on the roster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 It will depend a lot upon Richardson. If Richardson can supplant Urbik at LG early on and hold the position then Urbik becomes the backup OG and OC. This is close to what i suppose. Urbik is a better option at BU center then Legursky who is probably not playing for the Bills much longer. He also might return to better form with an upgraded surrounding cast. I really wonder what Bills think about Pears this year . Since tackle has been brought up . That side seemed to stuggle in the pass and run games . If Hairston is truly healthy he is probably a better swing tackle and cheaper than E Pears. But i think thats very true J. Can/will Richardson take over a guard spot ? and which one . should be interesting . Unga is a wildcard for me . no idea except size is right This is close to what i suppose. Urbik is a better option at BU center then Legursky who is probably not playing for the Bills much longer. He also might return to better form with an upgraded surrounding cast. I really wonder what Bills think about Pears this year . Since tackle has been brought up . That side seemed to stuggle in the pass and run games . If Hairston is truly healthy he is probably a better swing tackle and cheaper than E Pears. But i think thats very true J. Can/will Richardson take over a guard spot ? and which one . should be interesting . Unga is a wildcard for me . no idea except size is right I just noticed you have moved Urbik to left guard ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted May 25, 2014 Author Share Posted May 25, 2014 o Unga is listed as 27 years old, has never started a game in the NFL, and was on the Ravens practice squad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._J._Unga o Antoine McClain has also never started a game in the NFL, and was also on the Ravens practice squad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_McClain Any of our current/ previous personnel guys from the Ravens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 Did someone in this thread actually put Hairston at the top of the depth chart at RT? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 Did someone in this thread actually put Hairston at the top of the depth chart at RT? Really? They thought it was cut list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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