Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The Bengals replaced Powell with Mesko, who had two punts inside the twenty. We could have signed him and given him a multi-game trial when the season was shot. But why? Mesko has bounced around enough where you know what you are going to get. I don't think he would have been an appreciable upgrade over Moorman in the middle of the season. The time to really upgrade the position is in the off-season. In the playoff game, he hit two okay punts, and then boomed the other one 10 yards through the endzone for a TB--so I don't think you can say a whole lot about his performance, other than being fairly average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 But why? Mesko has bounced around enough where you know what you are going to get. I don't think he would have been an appreciable upgrade over Moorman in the middle of the season. The time to really upgrade the position is in the off-season. In the playoff game, he hit two okay punts, and then boomed the other one 10 yards through the endzone for a TB--so I don't think you can say a whole lot about his performance, other than being fairly average. Well it was better than Moorman's performance!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 He is, well, the best player on the team, and has been for the best 10 years. Hopefully they will bring back the Brian Moorman show too! :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is a useless debate. Until we get a franchise long snapper, it doesn't matter who's back there booting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is a useless debate. Until we get a franchise long snapper, it doesn't matter who's back there booting it. I can't believe the lack of respect on this board for Garrison Sanborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Extended. If he has any guaranteed money, Whaley and Co. are probably receiving roster input from the marketing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Extended. If he has any guaranteed money, Whaley and Co. are probably receiving roster input from the marketing team. if I had to guess, it's probably a one-year deal at a vet minimum. They will bring in some competition in training camp, and the better kicker will win. Even if you think Moorman should be done, I am not sure this is a bad idea. It's more like insurance than anything else. By the way, pretty interesting article by Chris Brown on Moorman on his numbers: On the surface some might look at Moorman’s net punting average, one of the chief indicators used to assess a punter’s rate of success, and see that with a mark of 36.6 he ranked 30th in the NFL. What most may not understand is Moorman was very rarely asked to flip the field for Buffalo’s defense. Most of the time the approach of special teams coordinator Danny Crossman was to hang the ball high to let the coverage unit force a fair catch or down the ball. In his 11 games as Bills punter Moorman did an admirable job. He forced 17 fair catches, put 10 punts out of bounds and four others were downed. All told just over half of his punts (31-61) were not returnable. If you project Moorman’s fair catches out over a 16-game season he would’ve had 28 on the year, which would’ve ranked second in the NFL. For those punts that were returned the gains were minimal. Opponents averaged 7.6 yards a return on Moorman punts this season good for eighth-best in the league. More importantly it cut the average return that opponents had been getting when Shawn Powell was punting almost in half. When Powell was still punting for Buffalo opponents averaged 14.5 yards a punt return. Hang time is what Crossman wants more than anything and Moorman proved he could still deliver that on a consistent basis. According to Pro Football Focus Moorman’s top hang time this season was 5.5 seconds, good for second-best in the league. Only three other NFL punters had a better hang time on kicks this season. St. Louis’ Johnny Hekker, Jacksonville’s Bryan Anger and San Francisco’s Andy Lee had a better hang time punt in 2013, as all three hit 5.6 seconds this past season and none of them punt in the conditions offered at Ralph Wilson Stadium. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Moorman-wants-to-keep-on-kicking/863966a2-09d4-459c-aa98-76587cd7367e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Meh...I still think they will bring in a quality punter to compete with him. I don't think this is any indication as to whether he is on the roster for opening day. Contract is most likely devoid of guaranteed money and incentive laden. Don't panic folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Meh...I still think they will bring in a quality punter to compete with him. I don't think this is any indication as to whether he is on the roster for opening day. Contract is most likely devoid of guaranteed money and incentive laden. Don't panic folks. yup - id guess (hope?) the theory is lock in a worst case scenario and attempt to upgrade from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantankerous Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I hope it's to retire as a Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Providing this is not guaranteed money it makes sense to go to camp with an experienced punter, even if the plan is to replace him with a young leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 This dude and the punting was the only bright spot on this team for too many years. Now even old Moorman isn't so sharp anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Personally I'm not seeing it just yet. Moorman was available in the middle of the season, so you'd think there'd be better veteran punters available come free agency. Why not simply sign one of those better options and let that dude compete with a youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Personally I'm not seeing it just yet. Moorman was available in the middle of the season, so you'd think there'd be better veteran punters available come free agency. Why not simply sign one of those better options and let that dude compete with a youngster. no one says we cant, if its the type of contract that simply sets a floor at the position. that way if we miss out on the vet or college guy we want, atleast we have someone on hand that we are comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 no one says we cant, if its the type of contract that simply sets a floor at the position. that way if we miss out on the vet or college guy we want, atleast we have someone on hand that we are comfortable with. I suppose there's no downside really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 belinda your response belongs in the "poster you miss the most" thread.... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I suppose there's no downside really atleast, assuming (hoping), thats really the type of contract and plan that they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPS Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 This dude and the punting was the only bright spot on this team for too many years. Now even old Moorman isn't so sharp anymore. Can punting be a bright spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 yup - id guess (hope?) the theory is lock in a worst case scenario and attempt to upgrade from there. It's an insurance policy. By the way, I posted this in the other Moorman thread-- Chris Brown makes a strong defense for Moorman's play. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Moorman-wants-to-keep-on-kicking/863966a2-09d4-459c-aa98-76587cd7367e On the surface some might look at Moorman’s net punting average, one of the chief indicators used to assess a punter’s rate of success, and see that with a mark of 36.6 he ranked 30th in the NFL. What most may not understand is Moorman was very rarely asked to flip the field for Buffalo’s defense. Most of the time the approach of special teams coordinator Danny Crossman was to hang the ball high to let the coverage unit force a fair catch or down the ball. In his 11 games as Bills punter Moorman did an admirable job. He forced 17 fair catches, put 10 punts out of bounds and four others were downed. All told just over half of his punts (31-61) were not returnable. If you project Moorman’s fair catches out over a 16-game season he would’ve had 28 on the year, which would’ve ranked second in the NFL. For those punts that were returned the gains were minimal. Opponents averaged 7.6 yards a return on Moorman punts this season good for eighth-best in the league. More importantly it cut the average return that opponents had been getting when Shawn Powell was punting almost in half. When Powell was still punting for Buffalo opponents averaged 14.5 yards a punt return. Hang time is what Crossman wants more than anything and Moorman proved he could still deliver that on a consistent basis. According to Pro Football Focus Moorman’s top hang time this season was 5.5 seconds, good for second-best in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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