\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 http://bigstory.ap.o...en-power-push-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 http://bigstory.ap.o...en-power-push-1 Good article, but it doesn't even address the fuel inefficiencies caused by ethanol. These fuel inefficiencies need to be factored in to the ethanol law's effectiveness. I guess it does increase the tax revenues though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No ****. Some of us have been pointing that out for almost a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If any of you !@#$s blame farmers for this then I will do absolutely nothing...you'd not be worth it We had a topic like this come up recently here. In NC we get dictated by out west. The farmers there plant corn because they have to make money. Not any other reason. This is a free market country. Here we get the left over scraps. We ship our corn across the country then have it sent back to us as food and other goods Don't blame the farmers for trying to make a dollar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If any of you !@#$s blame farmers for this then I will do absolutely nothing...you'd not be worth it We had a topic like this come up recently here. In NC we get dictated by out west. The farmers there plant corn because they have to make money. Not any other reason. This is a free market country. Here we get the left over scraps. We ship our corn across the country then have it sent back to us as food and other goods Don't blame the farmers for trying to make a dollar. Are you drunk? No one is blaming the farmer here. I blame the government for the mandating of ethanol in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Are you drunk? No one is blaming the farmer here. I blame the government for the mandating of ethanol in the first place. I wish I was drunk. But I am waiting for some retard to come in and say something. I've already seen people protesting and speaking out against the farmer for this and many similar things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I wish I was drunk. But I am waiting for some retard to come in and say something. I've already seen people protesting and speaking out against the farmer for this and many similar things I don't blame farmers unless you count ADM and Cargill as farmers, I know they get their share of fame subsidies does that make them farmers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I don't blame farmers unless you count ADM and Cargill as farmers, I know they get their share of fame subsidies does that make them farmers? Actually it probably makes them famers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 If any of you !@#$s blame farmers for this then I will do absolutely nothing...you'd not be worth it We had a topic like this come up recently here. In NC we get dictated by out west. The farmers there plant corn because they have to make money. Not any other reason. This is a free market country. Here we get the left over scraps. We ship our corn across the country then have it sent back to us as food and other goods Don't blame the farmers for trying to make a dollar. I don't blame the farmers for trying to make a buck. I do blame the industrial agriculturists who try to maximize their profits by lobbying for ersatz subsidies on corn. Because, frankly, as a source for an ethanol-based economy, corn sucks. It only works in the US because we're leveraging an already-existing system that separates the sugars (corn syrup) from the byproducts (used as feed - except by inbred redneck hicks like you). And has anyone ever checked to see how much CO2 is produced in producing corn ethanol? Fermentation does produce CO2, after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I don't blame the farmers for trying to make a buck. I do blame the industrial agriculturists who try to maximize their profits by lobbying for ersatz subsidies on corn. Because, frankly, as a source for an ethanol-based economy, corn sucks. It only works in the US because we're leveraging an already-existing system that separates the sugars (corn syrup) from the byproducts (used as feed - except by inbred redneck hicks like you). And has anyone ever checked to see how much CO2 is produced in producing corn ethanol? Fermentation does produce CO2, after all... that's it. I'm a good poster. And I don't have to take this anymore. Corn is a terrible source for many things. there is not much better for an option. That's the problem. Corn can do a lot and that is why it is so valuable. I don't blame farmers unless you count ADM and Cargill as farmers, I know they get their share of fame subsidies does that make them farmers? it depends how you want to play the game. When you buy IBM do you realize they made Nazi weapons? Do you buy Apple and support Chinese labor camps? What about Walmart closing main street? Did you fill you car up with blood tainted oil from the middle east? What about buying Nike and supporting child slaves? If you want to point a finger in any type of industry you'll find the dirt. This is a horribly stated argument but when you voice frustration with ADM for selling you something it is backward from Apple. The ADM slave is the farmer. The whip driving them is some faux government subsidy and the lock on the door is consumer always fussing about what they read on Whole Foods Vegan Douche Weekly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 that's it. I'm a good poster. And I don't have to take this anymore. Corn is a terrible source for many things. there is not much better for an option. That's the problem. Corn can do a lot and that is why it is so valuable. it depends how you want to play the game. When you buy IBM do you realize they made Nazi weapons? Do you buy Apple and support Chinese labor camps? What about Walmart closing main street? Did you fill you car up with blood tainted oil from the middle east? What about buying Nike and supporting child slaves? If you want to point a finger in any type of industry you'll find the dirt. This is a horribly stated argument but when you voice frustration with ADM for selling you something it is backward from Apple. The ADM slave is the farmer. The whip driving them is some faux government subsidy and the lock on the door is consumer always fussing about what they read on Whole Foods Vegan Douche Weekly I think you and Tom should have a beer summit. I'd leave lyrbob out though, he's very boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I think you and Tom should have a beer summit. I'd leave lyrbob out though, he's very boring. tom is on my bucket list of posters to see at a tailgate... Hell, as loved as he is we could raise the money to all pitch in for his tickets. The scared bassturd wouldn't show though, fearing _____ to show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Really? No crap! Like Tom said. Wait till the enviros get their hands on other stuff! The next "great fix" becomes the next great problem. Enviro arrogance. This where I break strongly from the lefties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 tom is on my bucket list of posters to see at a tailgate... Hell, as loved as he is we could raise the money to all pitch in for his tickets. The scared bassturd wouldn't show though, fearing _____ to show up. _____is a chickenshit isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The cost of corn and anything made from it or fed by it went up dramatically as soon as the feds subsidized it. If I'd been a farmer I'd have plowed over whatever I had been growing and planted corn instead...anyone with a head on their shoulders would have done the same. The mandating of ethanol added to gasoline is complete bullcrap IMO, but the last person I'd hold accountable for it is the farmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) The cost of corn and anything made from it or fed by it went up dramatically as soon as the feds subsidized it. If I'd been a farmer I'd have plowed over whatever I had been growing and planted corn instead...anyone with a head on their shoulders would have done the same. The mandating of ethanol added to gasoline is complete bullcrap IMO, but the last person I'd hold accountable for it is the farmer. Isn't it kinda like super sizing a meal? For 50 cents more, you can have a double sized meal. But should you really have that meal? Pack in all those calories? One's economic sense would say: "Sure look @ all you are getting." But in the end, you are killing yourself. Is that having a head on your shoulders? Even if the gov't was enticing farmers to plow under their fields left fallow for conservation (more money made on corn than conservation), shouldn't the farmer have had enough sense to say: "No! That just too dangerous." Afterall we learned coming outta the Dust Bowl years... We are doomed to make the same conservation mistakes again... Of course the gov't isn't helping. Quite a shame and tragedy. Competition gets the best of us. It does all start with the farmer first and foremost. Edited November 13, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Good article. If there were only some other viable bio-fuel candidate...dude, pass it over... http://phys.org/news205599757.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/11/us-epa-rfs-brazil-idUSBRE99A10M20131011 All is sugar and spice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Good article. If there were only some other viable bio-fuel candidate...dude, pass it over... http://phys.org/news205599757.html What difference does it make? As it stands right now gasoline formulated with 10% ethanol reduces mpg approximately 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 tom is on my bucket list of posters to see at a tailgate... Hell, as loved as he is we could raise the money to all pitch in for his tickets. The scared bassturd wouldn't show though, fearing _____ to show up. Why bother? If I showed up at a tailgate, someone would make me sit in a corner for 15 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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