uncle flap Posted October 30, 2013 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Did stills motion to start the play? The problem with Byrd selling out his zone or Gilmore his man is that you have a qb tha can exploit either hole left behind. Couple that with the route being effective against either combo of man or zone and I think its hats off to the saints for having the talent to design and run effectively a play that out so much pressure on the defense. The play action, the routes, etc... All put a lot of pressure on everybody. It's the type of play that should be successful against our tendencies and if anyone messes up it could be 7. My gut still says we asked too much of Hughes there and he failed, but regardless I think it's mostly credit to the saints. Yeah Stills motioned right to left to start the play. Searcy appeared to yell toward Hughes, so who knows if there was supposed to be an adjustment on the fly. I agree it's mostly credit to the Saints. Great play design that would've likely yielded a big completion no matter the coverage. Brees probably looked off Byrd, and also hung into a collapsing pocket with Kyle right in his face. Edited October 30, 2013 by uncle flap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Did stills motion to start the play? The problem with Byrd selling out his zone or Gilmore his man is that you have a qb tha can exploit either hole left behind. Couple that with the route being effective against either combo of man or zone and I think its hats off to the saints for having the talent to design and run effectively a play that put so much pressure on the defense. The play action, the routes, etc... All put a lot of pressure on everybody. It's the type of play that should be successful against our tendencies and if anyone messes up it could be 7. My gut still says we asked too much of Hughes there and he failed, but regardless I think it's mostly credit to the saints. He motioned right over to Hughes and ran right by him as Hughes was looking in the backfield at Brees. Boom! Touchdown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) Did stills motion to start the play? The problem with Byrd selling out his zone or Gilmore his man is that you have a qb tha can exploit either hole left behind. Couple that with the route being effective against either combo of man or zone and I think its hats off to the saints for having the talent to design and run effectively a play that put so much pressure on the defense. The play action, the routes, etc... All put a lot of pressure on everybody. It's the type of play that should be successful against our tendencies and if anyone messes up it could be 7. My gut still says we asked too much of Hughes there and he failed, but regardless I think it's mostly credit to the saints. Stills motions but we dont shift eyes Right? looking at the middle.Alonso rolls with Sproles right ? Brees looks off Byrd ? oh boy Byrd should be wiser Hughes was asked for too much of Edited October 30, 2013 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Yeah Stills motioned right to left to start the play. Searcy appeared to yell toward Hughes, so who knows if there was supposed to be an adjustment on the fly. I agree it's mostly credit to the Saints. Great play design that would've likely yielded a big completion no matter the coverage. Brees probably looked off Byrd, and also hung into a collapsing pocket with Kyle right in his face. That's what I thought but wasn't 100% Motion, play action, etc... Lots of pressure there. I'd be curious but haven't listened to hear what SP or brees have said about the play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Whats the lesson. Play the player/play not Drews eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Whats the lesson. Play the player/play not Drews eyes. That and sometimes you are just beat pre snap - salvage the play by allowing 10 yards instead of 70. No need to sell out on a play action when you find yourself in that spot. If they get an 8 yard run, so be it... Don't get beat deep though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 That and sometimes you are just beat pre snap - salvage the play by allowing 10 yards instead of 70. No need to sell out on a play action when you find yourself in that spot. If they get an 8 yard run, so be it... Don't get beat deep though thats always the rule. Would you be suggesting that Pettine put the Bills in a risky coverage ? I will side that that the players did not respond to the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) thats always the rule. Would you be suggesting that Pettine put the Bills in a risky coverage ? I will side that that the players did not respond to the situation The play call was a calculated risk. The saints found a way to exploit it, and the players seemed to compound it by not reacting to the pre snap, and pre pass gamesmanship well. Edited October 30, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonramz Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Without knowing the exact play call, we will never know what was supposed to happen... all I know is that the Bills do a ton of pattern matching w/ their cover guys, and someone has to be responsible for the 2nd vertical route. I think that Gilmore has to know he has inside help there. I originally thought this was the old run and shoot switch route, and it is similar to it except for Stills runs an out an up instead of a wheel type route. But make no mistake this was a called shot play from the Saints to get a deep shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 The play call was a calculated risk. The saints found a way to exploit it, and the players seemed to compound it by not reacting to the pre snap, and pre pass gamesmanship well. Tis true. But Bills secondary should have respended better. They are going to see that again whether Lawson or Hughes have the short area responsibility. I hate to see a naked quarter or third with an offensive player getting around his cover and headed upfield no matter who is chucking the ball. And Jonramz ., everyone and their brother new Saints were going to take shots . once they settled in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 play not Drews eyes. wise is what you say. Play or play not, there is no try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 wise is what you say. Play or play not, there is no try! Wily Drew Brees is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We are debating a perfect play against us. A great QB. A great scheme breaking plan. A great route run. It made the perfect play that put players in the wrong position to make the play even though they correctly followed their scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 I think Byrd should have been prepared for the reciever turning the pattern upfield and then moved over to cover it. I just cannot believe the defense was designed for a linebacker to cover a wide reciever on a deep pattern. I think Hughes was responsible for the short route but no way the long one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 All this is moot if we get to the passer on time. Every play has an area of risk and exposure... Some more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Who is Leodis covering? Stills was on his side, he went in motion to the other side and McKelvin didn't follow him and there was no one there to cover him but Hughes. From what I could see, it didn't look like Leodis was covering anyone. I think Byrd should have been prepared for the reciever turning the pattern upfield and then moved over to cover it. I just cannot believe the defense was designed for a linebacker to cover a wide reciever on a deep pattern. I think Hughes was responsible for the short route but no way the long one. Maybe it was designed for Leodis to follow his guy to the other side when he went in motion so that he covered more than empty air on that play? I know the popular thing is to blame Byrd for every bad thing that happens under the sun but still....who was Leodis covering??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Who is Leodis covering? Stills was on his side, he went in motion to the other side and McKelvin didn't follow him and there was no one there to cover him but Hughes. From what I could see, it didn't look like Leodis was covering anyone. Maybe it was designed for Leodis to follow his guy to the other side when he went in motion so that he covered more than empty air on that play? I know the popular thing is to blame Byrd for every bad thing that happens under the sun but still....who was Leodis covering??? I have never blamed Byrd for a bad play. That being said, it seems unlikely that McKelvin was not where he was supposed to be. It just seems to me that Byrd could have made a better decision on where to go on that play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 We are debating a perfect play against us. A great QB. A great scheme breaking plan. A great route run. It made the perfect play that put players in the wrong position to make the play even though they correctly followed their scheme. It's very simple when you break it down exactly as you have done here. Why we have so much trouble giving credit to GREAT players and coaches who make GREAT plays against us is lost on me. Yesterday I was accused of "making excuses" for our secondary by suggesting that you need to give credit to the other guys sometimes. GO SABRES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) The one thing I learned from watching the play several times, (for sure, that is) is that Jerry Hughes can really run for a big lb! He got close enough to take a shot at the WR at the 10 yard line.....most lb's couldnt get that close. Edited October 30, 2013 by bigK14094 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 It's very simple when you break it down exactly as you have done here. Why we have so much trouble giving credit to GREAT players and coaches who make GREAT plays against us is lost on me. Yesterday I was accused of "making excuses" for our secondary by suggesting that you need to give credit to the other guys sometimes. GO SABRES!!! byrd could have seen what was happening and adjusted but he didn't. We could argue he should have but the play could have gone the other way. The other guy would have had a step and enough for Brees that he could have got it in there to him. Of course now go back and look at the coulda woulda shoulda....but... if its and buts were whatever the quote says I would sound smarter quoting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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