3rdnlng Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 "There's nothing wrong with that LABillz, you just aren't familiar with the way they do it in "the Valley". Don't you know that 292 Google, and Apple, and Oracle programmers have been assinged? They can fix the entire approach, and make code, as yet to be desgined, derived from as yet unstated requirments, magically appear! They are from California! They work for Google! So your stupid Gantt Chart, which represents a "waterfall" approach, is useless, because we do RAD/XP. Got that? RAD has worked great for every Ruby on Rails project, ever, so why wouldn't it work here? It works great in "the Valley". Your stupid waterfall from the 80s isn't how we do things in 2013. You might as well be talking about not using ORMs! Rather than using phases, we can iterate our way into doing anything...and not encounter serious structural and design flaws...because we didn't anticipate all the requirements.... ...oh....wait...." It's hilarious watching the arrogance of California IT...implode. I'm going to have a good laugh over the next year, because it's still not working. Boston may benefit huge from all of this. "Why would you go with a company that's based in Fairy Valley, when you can work with some salty guys who get the job done right, without all the blather"? You can just hear them saying it.... Wrong thread to argue against Chef Jim, you sneaky bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) I assure you I have. I don't like what I've been thinking lately. Not one bit. I hope I am wrong. Consider: The LOW estimate is that ~October, 50 million people on group plans...will be off group plans. That's the low estimate. (Didn't we get into this thing because of 30 million people? WTF?) As many of you know, I'm no fan of government-run anything. Government is a necessary evil. It's the worst choice for problem solving, so it's the last choice. However, I am no anarchist(or Anti-Christ 4mer). If you throw 50 million people out into the street...while their medical treatment is ongoing? That's a pescription for all-out rebellion. You're fooling yourself if you think that doesn't come with chaos and violence. I know, I know "why did they think they were entitled to anything, especially of they voted for this clown?". That's a different discussion. What matters right now, today: what if 1 father loses his kid due to this? How about something more realistic #s-wise? With 50 million? How about 20k fathers lose their kid/wife? That's .0004%. What do we do with 20k fathers that want blood? We can't even manage to keep 1 kid from shooting up a school. What do we do about 20k, or, (assume half regain their senses) 10k guys looking to put a bullet in the people who did this? Still think some of them get weak on the day of? Ok, what about 5k guys? What about 2.5k guys? A what point do the excuses/mitigations run out...while we are still left with a very large number? Shoot them? 2.5k guys, who just lost their wife/kid? 1000 guys, who decide to go postal? See? This is about large numbers. It always has been. That's why this is so unsettling. The large #s here dictate: we may very well have an even bigger mess on our hands, than many of us are able to conceive of, when we fully realize the unintended consquences, and the response to those cosequences unfolds. I'd like it if we tried to find a way to get ahead of that issue, or, if we realized right F'ing now that this is what's coming, and acted immediately to stop it. There is no escaping the math here. Or the statistical probabilities inherent to 50 million people losing their health care plans, that they've earned, because they actually work. That anger can't be quantified. But, it sure as hell can be applied, on scale that is difficult to imagine. Now we know why the IRS wanted to procure millions of rounds of ammo.... But on a serious note as a father (luckily my.kids generally have good health) if any of them ever wasted away because of this FUBARd healthcare mess, I'm saying right now while I'm completely calm and rational, that I'm certain I would not handle it well and would have real anger that I probably would not be able to control. Edit- I feel for some of our friends. He owns a business and his wife had full time hours with a company and she got their health insurance, she just found out her hours are getting cut (I explained its a side effect of this terrible legislation) and now their daughter has no insurance until they can figure something out Edited November 21, 2013 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 You want a good laugh? I just did some quick 508 testing on the site. Not even close to being compliant. Oooo I wanna try! How? Not for me, and, even if it was, why the F do I wanna go set it up when you can just tell me? I'm lazy, dammit! But, not for me, post it online, so everyone can see it. Let's have Chef run the test! Better yet: have gatorman do it! I love how the "clients", us, are paying(taxes) to run our own sysem and acceptance tests. What rubes we are. We're dumbest clients in the history of clients, and do you realize how dumb that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Now we know why the IRS wanted to procure millions of rounds of ammo.... But on a serious note as a father (luckily my.kids generally have good health) if any of them ever wasted away because of this FUBARd healthcare mess, I'm saying right now while I'm completely calm and rational, that I'm certain I would not handle it well and would have real anger that I probably would not be able to control. Edit- I feel for some of our friends. He owns a business and his wife had full time hours with a company and she got their health insurance, she just found out her hours are getting cut (I explained its a side effect of this terrible legislation) and now their daughter has no insurance until they can figure something out Yep, this is the point: When we talk in terms of large numbers, the thinking has to change: consider how far a light year...really is. How far is it from where you are sitting reading this? (This is what I use to help people understand the Internet). Drastically far, isn't it? Can you see how far away it is? When we talk 50 million people(again, the low end of the estimate) losing their insurance, the thinking also has to change, drastically. You've been to a Bills game. That's 80k(old days) and 70k now. How many "old" Bills games = 50 million people? Try to visualize that. That's 625 Bills games. Then, visualize only 32 guys in each Bills game, losing their wife/kid, and going postal. That's the 20k fathers. As I said, think that's too much? Cut the # in half, if you want. Cut it in half again. Cut it in half as many times as you want....it's still a very large number of people going nuts, and shooting up the place...whatever "the place" is. 500 men going postal in a 6 month period, would cause mass hysteria. 50 would as well. Anybody want to have a gun rights discussion then? The hysteria, as hysteria does, would lead to more, as people overreacted. But, let's say you decide, whether you talk to your priest, or the Family Feud guy, you aren't going to do it. Let's say you just make it your mission in life that another far-left clown never gets elected again. That makes 49 guys instead. Great. But remember, we've already eliminated so many of you, when we cut the # down from 20k. This is why I am a little worried. I'm not tin-foil hat paranoid. I just understand large numbers. Edited November 21, 2013 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The numbers could be even larger. I've heard up to 100 million could lose their insurance once the employer mandate goes into effect. People will begin to know by the Summer of Recovery 6 next year when their HR departments begin floating the balloons around their offices about how the company is expecting big changes in healthcare coverages. They'll try to soften the blow, with messaging that will clearly explain why the company is backing away from this employee benefit. Oh, they'll give a stipend of a grand or two to the lucky ones, but at the end of the day millions of American workers are going to be kicked off their healthcare coverage plans and forced into Obama's swamp. Way to go Dems. Now just go to hell. You're deserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Elections have consequences. Shedding liberty for the illusion of security has consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Good news!! This should make all you Conservatives happy. Health care costs are slowing, in part because of Obamacare. It's working! http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/obamacare-health-care-costs-report-100130.html The slowing growth in health care costs isn’t just a fluke or a remnant of the recession, the White House asserted in a report released Wednesday, but rather a result of reforms in Obamacare. The White House report is an attempt to shape the debate over how much credit should be given to the Affordable Care Act for the growth in health care spending dropping to its lowest levels since the 1960s. Awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Good news!! This should make all you Conservatives happy. Health care costs are slowing, in part because of Obamacare. It's working! http://www.politico....ort-100130.html Awesome!! The entire article falls apart on this one statement. "the White House asserted" The white house also assert that "if you like your plan you can keep it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The entire article falls apart on this one statement. "the White House asserted" The white house also assert that "if you like your plan you can keep it" This will be the left's albatross for years: they blatantly lied to the American people to pass a law no one wanted, then lied about the lies...and we're supposed to believe anything they say? Look for the cartoons coming of a turkey getting pardoned by Obama, and realizing his words are absolutely useless. Elections have consequences. Shedding liberty for the illusion of security has consequences. You damn libertarians and your ridiculous talk about liberty and tyranny. Remember the words of your president.: "Unfortunately you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all of our problems. Some of these same voices do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 B, why do you hate poor people? Cause their poor... duh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cause their poor... duh.... they're Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 they're thanks Mom. Auto correct is not correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 The numbers could be even larger. I've heard up to 100 million could lose their insurance once the employer mandate goes into effect. People will begin to know by the Summer of Recovery 6 next year when their HR departments begin floating the balloons around their offices about how the company is expecting big changes in healthcare coverages. They'll try to soften the blow, with messaging that will clearly explain why the company is backing away from this employee benefit. Oh, they'll give a stipend of a grand or two to the lucky ones, but at the end of the day millions of American workers are going to be kicked off their healthcare coverage plans and forced into Obama's swamp. Way to go Dems. Now just go to hell. You're deserving. We may have to scrap our whole plan for our company next year. We've spent two weeks trying to be proactive but it's kind if hard being proactive if you haven't a clue what's coming down the pike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 thanks Mom. Auto correct is not correct Autofill is worse than autocorrect. I recently got cc'ed on an email between one of my customers and one of my competitors because my email was autofilled by mistake. It lasted about a dozen emails of the customer destroying my competitor for not knowing what he was doing and abandoning a job. Meanwhile...back on track, please enjoy your new commemorative stamps from the US Postal Service celebrating Obamacare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 We may have to scrap our whole plan for our company next year. We've spent two weeks trying to be proactive but it's kind if hard being proactive if you haven't a clue what's coming down the pike. Why are you set in being an obstructionist.? Just get on board and have faith that these little wrinkles will be iron out with future legislation... or another decree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 It's not just the White House, costs really have slowed! I thought that would make Conservatives happy? How can you guys not be happy about slowing health care costs?? http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2013/11/20/health-care-spending-growth/3650243/ Heck, even the GOP supported study gave Obamacare credit! Republican critics of the law, such as Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, remained skeptical, citing a report by actuaries for the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services that said much of the reduced increase in spending was due to the economic slowdown and not the law. That report, published in September in the journal Health Affairs, predicted a higher rate of increase in health spending than the White House report. However, the actuaries also credited the law for some of the reduced increases in costs, as well as a slower economy, the slow growth in public programs and increased cost-sharing requirements for patients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) It's not just the White House, costs really have slowed! I thought that would make Conservatives happy? How can you guys not be happy about slowing health care costs?? http://www.usatoday....growth/3650243/ Heck, even the GOP supported study gave Obamacare credit! This is like arguing that the Obama administration has done great work stemming the number of illegal aliens entering the country by tanking the economy. But hey...you keep trying to sell Obamacare. All day. Every day. Get out there and let those 10s of millions of people your party lied to who are losing their plans and doctors hear about an 'in the weeds' number...and let them know it's really, really true this time. Good luck with that. Edited November 21, 2013 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Elections have consequences. Shedding liberty for the illusion of security has consequences. Nonsense, elections shouldn't matter according to Pelosi. This is like arguing that the Obama administration has done great work stemming the number of illegal aliens entering the country by tanking the economy. But hey...you keep trying to sell Obamacare. All day. Every day. Get out there and let those 10s of millions of people your party lied to who are losing their plans and doctors hear about an 'in the weeds' number...and let them know it's really, really true this time. Good luck with that. Pshaw, it's not "tens of millions" losing insurance, it's a measly 5%. That means 95% of the US population isn't affected by this minor glitch that no one could have predicted. You know what's also 5%? A nickel. Who cares about a nickel? What can you buy with a nickel anyhow? Nothing, that's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Nonsense, elections shouldn't matter according to Pelosi. Pshaw, it's not "tens of millions" losing insurance, it's a measly 5%. That means 95% of the US population isn't affected by this minor glitch that no one could have predicted. You know what's also 5%? A nickel. Who cares about a nickel? What can you buy with a nickel anyhow? Nothing, that's right. Isn't it only 1.3% that have to pay a tiny bit more? And overall the budget situation improves because of Obamacare! That's awesome. So repealing this law will actually cost America more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Isn't it only 1.3% that have to pay a tiny bit more? And overall the budget situation improves because of Obamacare! That's awesome. So repealing this law will actually cost America more The rich just need to pay their fair share. Forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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