The Affordable Care Act is Coming Home to Roost

[Keukasmallies]

US business leaders are showing their business acumen as they take advantage of the opportunity to slash health care costs by moving full time employees to part time and urging them to "take advantage of" ObamaCare.

 

http://news.investors.com/091213-670865-obamacare-exchanges-will-insure-trader-joes-part-timers.htm?ven=googlepicks&src=aurlafw&google_editors_picks=true

 

 

Good thing POTUS is razor sharp in terms of his foreign policy because he apparently "ain't got no" domestic policy savvy.

 

Oh wait, he's a dunce in the foreign policy field also. Nevertheless, he's smooth on Leno.

[Tiberius]

So small businesses are really shedding costs here and should be better for it. How is this bad for small businesses again? I didn't realize that Obamacare was really such a small business friendly plan. Not sure what "investors.com" is angry about. Obama is helping the backbone our our economy and setting them free.

[Keukasmallies]

The other side of the coin, the one you refuse to see, is that I'll be paying for an ever increasing number of insurees--many more than was first estimated. This just in: I'm not interested in supporting any more people!!!

[Tiberius]

The other side of the coin, the one you refuse to see, is that I'll be paying for an ever increasing number of insurees--many more than was first estimated. This just in: I'm not interested in supporting any more people!!!

 

Hey I understand you guys don't want people to be able to see a doctor, get health care or even to be well, but this is great for small businesses. Obama is the small business president! And the economic benefits to the country will far out weigh the temporary shift to a new system which will lower costs like it did here in NY----Win Win

[Chef Jim]

 

 

Hey I understand you guys don't want people to be able to see a doctor, get health care or even to be well, but this is great for small businesses. Obama is the small business president! And the economic benefits to the country will far out weigh the temporary shift to a new system which will lower costs like it did here in NY----Win Win

 

But they won't be able to see a doctor because they won't have insurance because they will be working part time. So the number of people without insurance could likely climb. And not only that they will be making less so there will be less money flowing to the economy. This is what happens when you cram something like this through without floating any trial balloons. Well they passed it and we're finding out what's in it alright.

[Tiberius]

But they won't be able to see a doctor because they won't have insurance because they will be working part time. So the number of people without insurance could likely climb. And not only that they will be making less so there will be less money flowing to the economy. This is what happens when you cram something like this through without floating any trial balloons. Well they passed it and we're finding out what's in it alright.

 

Ya, and its raining cats and dogs too, right? Go jump in a lake

[Chef Jim]

 

 

Ya, and its raining cats and dogs too, right? Go jump in a lake

 

So putting vast amounts of people on part time is a good thing? Our company is in an industry that has very high turnover. We offer health insurance (which we pay for) after six months. That is our choice and it is a business expense that we have created. Now we are forced to pay for it after only three months. So now because of that we will probably hire less people and still end up with less profit.

[Tiberius]

So putting vast amounts of people on part time is a good thing? Our company is in an industry that has very high turnover. We offer health insurance (which we pay for) after six months. That is our choice and it is a business expense that we have created. Now we are forced to pay for it after only three months. So now because of that we will probably hire less people and still end up with less profit.

 

Vast amounts? How many? Tell me how many and then tell me how many more people will be hired full time because the law allows so many small businesses to hire more workers since they no longer have to provide health insurance

[Chef Jim]

Vast amounts? How many? Tell me how many and then tell me how many more people will be hired full time because the law allows so many small businesses to hire more workers since they no longer have to provide health insurance

 

How many? I don't know, more than one? So you're saying that companies will all of a sudden hire more people because they no long have to pay health insurance?

[Keukasmallies]

g'man, let me simplify this issue from my perspective: I don't want my tax $'s paying for some made up need for insurance just to mollify those who expect Washington to deliver "the bacon" since "they" either voted for, or delivered the vote for, BHO. Crude, insensitive, short-sighted...probably all of those, but something tells me I'm not the only one tired of all take and no give.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Keukasmallies

[Tiberius]

How many? I don't know, more than one? So you're saying that companies will all of a sudden hire more people because they no long have to pay health insurance?

 

Are you saying businesses have more money isn't a good thing? And you actually try to pass yourself off as someone that knows something?

 

g'man, let me simplify this issue from my perspective: I don't want my tax $'s paying for some made up need for insurance just to mollify those who expect Washington to deliver "the bacon" since "they" either voted for, or delivered the vote for, BHO. Crude, insensitive, short-sighted...probably all of those, but something tells me I'm not the only one tired of all take and no give.

 

Go live in some libertarian country then where there is no health care, no schools no anything. Can't believe Conservatives have not tried to found a dumbfukastan somewhere with a minimalist government of no sewers or roads. Come on guys, lets get to it!

[Nanker]

B.O. is just trying to keep the little man and woman down. He wipes his azz with their concerns. Everything he does is to keep them in poverty. The more the ranks of the poor swell, the deeper is his laugh. He despises the common person. His war on women is legendary. He gives lip service to the poor and the working middle class while gassing up Air Force One to jet in the highest style to distant locations to press the palms of the fabulously wealthy and squeeze them for cash donations. He ***** on the working class every chance he gets. He's one high class mulatto.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Nanker

[DC Tom]

So small businesses are really shedding costs here and should be better for it. How is this bad for small businesses again? I didn't realize that Obamacare was really such a small business friendly plan. Not sure what "investors.com" is angry about. Obama is helping the backbone our our economy and setting them free.

 

You're obviously trolling.

[Keukasmallies]

Go live in some libertarian country then where there is no health care, no schools no anything. Can't believe Conservatives have not tried to found a dumbfukastan somewhere with a minimalist government of no sewers or roads. Come on guys, lets get to it!

 

Excellent comeback! You must have forgotten the "I can pizz farther than you can" response, eh?

 

One need not be a libertarian to get tired of financing a rainbow continuum of services and supports for those who appear waiting for someone else to carry the load.

Edited September 14, 2013 by Keukasmallies

[Chef Jim]

 

 

Are you saying businesses have more money isn't a good thing? And you actually try to pass yourself off as someone that knows something?

 

 

 

Go live in some libertarian country then where there is no health care, no schools no anything. Can't believe Conservatives have not tried to found a dumbfukastan somewhere with a minimalist government of no sewers or roads. Come on guys, lets get to it!

 

I agree with Tom you're just trolling now because if this is really how your tiny brain thinks I'm really surprised you're able to turn on your computer to come here.

[/dev/null]

I agree with Tom you're just trolling now because if this is really how your tiny brain thinks I'm really surprised you're able to turn on your computer to come here.

 

He doesn't have to know how to turn a computer on. He has a robot that does it for him. And then it serves him a beer before flying an unmanned combat mission

[Bigfatbillsfan]

But they won't be able to see a doctor because they won't have insurance because they will be working part time. So the number of people without insurance could likely climb. And not only that they will be making less so there will be less money flowing to the economy. This is what happens when you cram something like this through without floating any trial balloons. Well they passed it and we're finding out what's in it alright.

 

If this leads to a single payer system all the better. Because that's what this abortion of a bill should have been. A single payer plan.

[DC Tom]

If this leads to a single payer system all the better. Because that's what this abortion of a bill should have been. A single payer plan.

 

THIS is what I've been talking about. What one thinks our health care system SHOULD be is completely irrelevent to the fact that the ACA is a complete load of ****.

 

(And I threw you a bone here, so you can have another "gotcha" moment with me and feel special again.)

[meazza]

If this leads to a single payer system all the better. Because that's what this abortion of a bill should have been. A single payer plan.

 

Yep single payer is great.

 

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/private+imaging+scans+urged+Alberta/8852692/story.html

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/09/14/george-jonas-the-one-tier-medical-mantra-your-body-belongs-to-the-swarm/

[ExiledInIllinois]

The other side of the coin, the one you refuse to see, is that I'll be paying for an ever increasing number of insurees--many more than was first estimated. This just in: I'm not interested in supporting any more people!!!

 

You're a proud American! Thank You!

[John in Jax]

Yep single payer is great.

 

http://www.ottawacit...2692/story.html

 

From the linked article above:

 

"We don't think you should be able to buy an MRI or CT scan privately," said college registrar Dr.Trevor Theman, "that it should all be a publicly funded service." Albertans currently wait as long as 37 weeks for an MRI in a public facility, but the imaging can normally be done within a couple of days at private clinic if a patient can afford the $700-plus cost.

 

Wow. That sure doesn't sound like a "free market" system to me. And this is what the Democraps want here (in the US) for us too. Unreal.

[meazza]

From the linked article above:

 

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Wow. That sure doesn't sound like a "free market" system to me. And this is what the Democraps want here (in the US) for us too. Unreal.

 

I went private for mine or else it was 7 month wait.

[Doc]

From the linked article above:

 

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Wow. That sure doesn't sound like a "free market" system to me. And this is what the Democraps want here (in the US) for us too. Unreal.

Well, not the majority of them. Otherwise Obamacrap would have been single payer. Single payer ain't gonna happen, and Obamacrap will be exhibit A when it comes to why we don't want it.

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

 

Are you saying businesses have more money isn't a good thing? And you actually try to pass yourself off as someone that knows something?

 

 

 

Go live in some libertarian country then where there is no health care, no schools no anything. Can't believe Conservatives have not tried to found a dumbfukastan somewhere with a minimalist government of no sewers or roads. Come on guys, lets get to it!

You're too dumb to be a troll

[Alaska Darin]

Seven MONTHS for an MRI? Yet there are still people who are pining for this.

 

Amazing.

[meazza]

Seven MONTHS for an MRI? Yet there are still people who are pining for this.

 

Amazing.

 

Depends if your doctor wants to do you a favor.

 

 

[/dev/null]

Now the Gov't wants to start mining all kinds of personal and medical data

http://freebeacon.com/government-seeking-inclusion-of-social-and-behavioral-in-health-records/

 

But it's okay, they're the Government so it's safe. It's not like a Government entity would ever mishandle confidential information

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obamacare-employee-accidentally-sends-out-2400-social-security-numbers_753991.html

 

And a Government entity would never ever abuse confidential information

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/national-organization-for-marriage-donor-list-leaked-by-irs_n_3388357.html

[B-Man]

Truth Team assemble!.................................. Aflac’s Obamacare quiz shows public knows a lot about ACA

 

What’s the OFA Truth Team up to this weekend? Golfing with the president? If so, they’d better call in someone from the White House’s Entertainment Advisory Council to sing a song or make a funny video, stat. You see, insurance provider Aflac decided to host a quiz on the Affordable Care Act via Twitter, and it looks like someone’s been spreading mistruths about the most awesome piece of legislation ever written (and rewritten, and rewritten).

 

 

Aflac @Aflac

What do you know about the #ACA? Take our #HealthCareReform Quiz to find out: afl.ac/1b1jGL8

 

 

 

 

 

Workers Reveal 4 Key Health Care Reform Concerns

http://www.aflac.com...mpaign=HCR_9913

Edited September 15, 2013 by B-Man

[Nanker]

Anyone know where Jonny Coli lives? Anyone think somewhere in Florida. Maybe that's where he went to school for microbiology.

[/dev/null]

Truth Team assemble!.................................. Aflac’s Obamacare quiz shows public knows a lot about ACA

 

What’s the OFA Truth Team up to this weekend? Golfing with the president? If so, they’d better call in someone from the White House’s Entertainment Advisory Council to sing a song or make a funny video, stat. You see, insurance provider Aflac decided to host a quiz on the Affordable Care Act via Twitter, and it looks like someone’s been spreading mistruths about the most awesome piece of legislation ever written (and rewritten, and rewritten).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Workers Reveal 4 Key Health Care Reform Concerns

http://www.aflac.com...mpaign=HCR_9913

 

racist white duck

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

 

 

racist white duck

 

Bwaahahaha

[DC Tom]

Seven MONTHS for an MRI? Yet there are still people who are pining for this.

 

Amazing.

 

The free market rewards success and punishes failure.

 

The completely regulated market...well, that just punishes the **** out of everyone.

[/dev/null]

http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/obamacare-will-question-your-sex-life/

[Tiberius]

37 weeks--at the worst case-- as opposed to not getting it at all? I think anyone going to choose the wait, duh!

 

$700 and it's only a few days.

 

Seven MONTHS for an MRI? Yet there are still people who are pining for this.

 

Amazing.

Isn't the VA socialized medicine? That works pretty well, doesn't it? Try to tell veterans to f-off and join in the market, they will never give up their socialized system

[B-Man]

Congress’s Exemption from Obamacare :Make Congress get insurance the same way the little people do? Hill denizens howl in fury.

 

By John Fund

 

Prostitution. Bribery. Blackmail. Thuggery. Hypocrisy.

 

Those were just some of the incendiary words thrown around the U.S. Senate last week, and that doesn’t count what people said in private.

The Senate may still have a reputation as a genteel club, but lawmakers seemed to abandon rules of decorum completely last week in arguments about whether Congress should be treated like the rest of the country when it comes to Obamacare.

 

Senator David Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, has demanded a floor vote on his bill to end an exemption that members of Congress and their staffs are slated to get that will make them the only participants in the new Obamacare exchanges to receive generous subsidies from their employer to pay for their health insurance. Angry Senate Democrats have drafted legislation that dredges up a 2007 prostitution scandal involving Vitter. The confrontation is a perfect illustration of just how wide the gulf in attitudes is between the Beltway and the rest of the country — and how viciously Capitol Hill denizens will fight for their privileges.

 

In 1995, the newly elected Republican Congress passed a Congressional Accountability Act to fulfill a promise made the previous year in the Contract with America. For the first time, the Act applied to Congress the same civil-rights employment and labor laws that lawmakers had required everyday citizens to abide by. With some lapses, it’s worked well to defuse public outrage about “one law for thee, one law for me” congressional behavior.

 

In 2009, Senator Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) decided that the principle deserved to be embedded in Obamacare, and he was able to insert a provision requiring all members of Congress and their staffs to get insurance through the Obamacare health exchanges. “The more that Congress experiences the laws it passes, the better,” said Grassley. Although his amendment was watered down before final passage to exclude committee staff, it still applies to members of Congress and their personal staffs. Most employment lawyers interpreted that to mean that the taxpayer-funded federal health-insurance subsidies dispensed to those on Congress’s payroll — which now range from $5,000 to $11,000 a year — would have to end.

 

Democratic and Republican staffers alike were furious, warning that Congress faced a “brain drain” if the provision stuck. Under behind-the-scenes pressure from members of Congress in both parties, President Obama used the quiet of the August recess to personally order the Office of Personnel Management, which supervises federal employment issues, to interpret the law so as to retain the generous congressional benefits.

 

{snip}

 

What Vitter’s opponents fear most is that this fight will penetrate the public’s consciousness. A new poll taken for Independent Women’s Voice, a conservative group, found that 92 percent of voters think Congress shouldn’t be exempted from the insurance provisions of Obamacare. Most voters blame both parties equally for the exemption, which means Republicans will also be hurt politically if it stands. “This is an issue with almost unprecedented intensity,” IWV president Heather Higgins told me. “Republicans have the choice of leading the Vitter parade for repeal or getting run over by it. To duck it will be viewed by their constituents as political malpractice.”

[Chef Jim]

37 weeks--at the worst case-- as opposed to not getting it at all? I think anyone going to choose the wait, duh!

 

$700 and it's only a few days.

 

 

Isn't the VA socialized medicine? That works pretty well, doesn't it? Try to tell veterans to f-off and join in the market, they will never give up their socialized system

 

What do you mean or not at all? I need an MRI I can get it today. 37 weeks....great.

 

And yeah the VA runs swimmingly well. Are you seriously suggesting that system??

 

Nice work troll.

[B-Man]

From the L.A. Times, (that hotbed of right-wing scare-tactics), Insurers limiting doctors, hospitals in health insurance market:

The doctor can’t see you now.

 

Consumers may hear that a lot more often after getting health insurance under President Obama’s Affordable Care Act.

To hold down premiums, major insurers in California have sharply limited the number of doctors and hospitals available to patients in the state’s new health insurance market opening Oct. 1.

 

New data reveal the extent of those cuts in California, a crucial test bed for the federal healthcare law.

These diminished medical networks are fueling growing concerns that many patients will still struggle to get care despite the nation’s biggest healthcare expansion in half a century.

 

Consumers could see long wait times, a scarcity of specialists and loss of a longtime doctor.

 

“These narrow networks won’t work because they cut off access for patients,” said Dr. Richard Baker, executive director of the Urban Health Institute at Charles Drew University of Medicine and Science in Los Angeles. “We don’t want this to become a roadblock.”

 

 

 

Welcome to the new normal.

[meazza]

37 weeks--at the worst case-- as opposed to not getting it at all? I think anyone going to choose the wait, duh!

 

$700 and it's only a few days.

 

 

$700 after paying nearly half my salary in taxes, not including sales tax, health care contribution etc to a system that is always for some reason underfunded?

[Azalin]

Isn't the VA socialized medicine? That works pretty well, doesn't it? Try to tell veterans to f-off and join in the market, they will never give up their socialized system

you don't know anyone regularly treated at a VA facility, do you? if there was anybody more deserving of the highest quality medical care, it's those that have served the country and payed for it with their limbs and minds. not only do they often not get the care they deserve, you would hold that up as a model for the rest of the nation?

 

you post to antagonize, not to discuss. this is just troll-sport for you. if you really believed half of what you post, you'd be too stupid to breathe.

[/dev/null]

Isn't the VA socialized medicine? That works pretty well, doesn't it? Try to tell veterans to f-off and join in the market, they will never give up their socialized system

 

Dude seriously? Do you even know anybody that goes to the VA?