Doc Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 So the plan all along was to destroy the individual market, since apparently it is largely made up of "invincibles," and force them into Obamafail where they'd subsidize care for the rest. Now that this ruse has been uncovered, Barry, as is his wont, is playing politics with this "you can keep it for a year..." since the state insurance commissioners and insurance companies themselves will never go for it, and he wanted to head the Repubs off at the pass because they were preparing their own bill. Worst...president...ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 You have to pass it to see what's in it!!!???? ......what too soon? :shrug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 President Obama’s “Administrative Fix” Will Make the Problem Worse By now you have no doubt heard that President Obama, in a disastrous and meandering news conference, has announced that he will attempt, via executive fiat, to implement something very similar to the Upton Plan, which will purportedly allow (but not require) insurance companies to continue to offer plans that were made illegal by Obamacare. Without wading into the politics of this move, as a matter of policy, it is going to be a disaster. That the President would even attempt it indicates that he does not have even a rudimentary understanding of how insurance works – which is a minor problem seeing as how he apparently sees fit to unilaterally dictate insurance policy for the whole country as of today. Insurance premiums today are set and fixed by an incredibly byzantine process that is the product of decades of often nonsensical federal and state regulation. Speaking in gross generalizations, insurance companies have complex actuarial algorithms that attempt to capture what a risk pool will look like, the parameters of which are, again, generally set by law. Once generated (again, generally speaking) insurance companies must submit requested premium to state insurance commissioners who permit those premiums if they fit a profit model that is set by the regulatory framework. If the previous paragraph caused your eyes to glaze over, just know this: rolling out policy particulars and setting premiums is a lengthy process that cannot be easily short circuited. It is not as simple as adjusting the price of a widget to compensate for a 10% increase in its gross cost. The current premiums (which are giving people sticker shock) are built upon assumptions, already baked into the actuarial tables, about what the risk pool would look like given that the old plans would be illegal and no one would be on them. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) YEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! yes, it was clearly a mistake the magnitude of "nucular" said 500 times or so. or of making complex problems seem simple so everyone thinks they can be easily and painlessly solved. where were his handlers there? unforgivable. Edited November 15, 2013 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 yes, it was clearly a mistake the magnitude of "nucular" said 500 times or so. "Bush!" That's all you got? or of making complex problems seem simple so everyone thinks they can be easily and painlessly solved. See also: Affordable Care Act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Before this is over, they are going to have to haul a few Democrats away to the looney bin. They'll be muttering: "Cheney" "Bush" "Tea Bagger" "Palin" "WMD" as they get hauled away. However, the paramedic is a wiseass libertarian, so, ever mile or so, he look back and yell "OBAMACARE!", and touch off another outburst of crazy. You forgot that they'll also mutter "Fox News". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) "Bush!" That's all you got? See also: Affordable Care Act. bush was a presidential opponent of his that somehow won. it's an apt comparison. the aca isn't and never was simple. i can't think of anyone claiming such. as i've stated many times, the recognized goals of the aca could have much more simply been accomplished by a single payor plan. that was not feasible but i do feel obama gave up too quickly on it and the rollout of the aca has been a disaster. Edited November 15, 2013 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) Dennis Miller Show @DennisDMZ Obamacare is Prohibition if they had been drinking when they crafted Prohibition. 6:55 PM - 14 Nov 2013 2 more of Dennis's tweets Obama's now trying to stop the bleeding. I liked the old days (last month) when Doctors stopped the bleeding. Keep your distance from your Lib acquaintances in the next few weeks. Many zealots tend to get vile when their pet notions crater. . Edited November 15, 2013 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 bush was a presidential opponent of his that somehow won. it's an apt comparison. the aca isn't and never was simple. i can't think of anyone claiming such. as i've stated many times, the recognized goals of the aca could have much more simply been accomplished by a single payor plan. that was not feasible but i do feel obama gave up too quickly on it and the rollout of the aca has been a disaster. Well, I'm glad you admit the ACA is a disaster. It does bother me that you find "nucular" such a crushing indictment of a President. Do you find "corpse man" equally distasteful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 bush was a presidential opponent of his that somehow won. it's an apt comparison. the aca isn't and never was simple. i can't think of anyone claiming such. as i've stated many times, the recognized goals of the aca could have much more simply been accomplished by a single payor plan. that was not feasible but i do feel obama gave up too quickly on it and the rollout of the aca has been a disaster. "Making complex problems seem simple." Christ, you're an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) howard speaks the truth: http://www.politico....95.html?hp=t3_3. obama needs to listen. now. Yeah, you keep digging schitheel. By all means, don't let me stop you. By all rights, given the nonsense you've spewed here about this issue, and your propensity to claim moral superiority over us all, you should be flat out embarrassed and silent, because REAL people are going to be really hurt by this fiasco you and the clowns like you put upon the rest of us. Are your unintended consequences, and the absolute certainty with which you inflict them on people, moral, in any way? No. If you've given Ds any $, or your vote, you are now directly responsible for harming people, doctor. Enjoy owning that. By all rights, I should tell you the STFU. But, I won't . Instead, you want me to help dig? Want some water? IF you and Dean and the rest of the absolutely despicable people in that article want to dig a bigger whole, one that you will never climb out of again? Where do I sign up? Edited November 15, 2013 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 howard speaks the truth: http://www.politico....95.html?hp=t3_3. obama needs to listen. now. Your liberalism knows no bounds. That might be the dumbest article I've ever read and the greatest indictment of the retarded left ever. You sir, are an unmitigated moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Well, I'm glad you admit the ACA is a disaster. It does bother me that you find "nucular" such a crushing indictment of a President. Do you find "corpse man" equally distasteful? 57 states?? Lol. And didn't he move Charleston, sc to the gulf coast as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I must admit this is quite entertaining - seeing the left in full melt-down and turning on the incompetent affirmative action President they put in power. They don't have a clue. He doesn't have a clue, and the country is watching this like Hank and Marie looking in stunned disbelief at Walt's taped "confession". Yeah, but Bush pronounced nuclear, nucluar. Well, Lyndon Johnson called black people !@#$s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 bush was a presidential opponent of his that somehow won. it's an apt comparison. the aca isn't and never was simple. i can't think of anyone claiming such. as i've stated many times, the recognized goals of the aca could have much more simply been accomplished by a single payor plan. that was not feasible but i do feel obama gave up too quickly on it and the rollout of the aca has been a disaster. Barry had a small window in which to cram through his healthcare takeover. He didn't have time to convince people to go single payer. Never mind that it wasn't going to happen considering Joe Lieberman alone was enough to kill the public option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 No one's stopped him yet. More seriously: my understanding is that the cancellations were prompted by HSS regs written in a very narrow interpretation of the law, and not the law itself...so yes, the executive can reverse that decision. With regards to delaying the mandate...probably not, but he already delayed the employer mandate unconstitutionally, so there's precedent. The truly sickening thing is how many people think this is acceptable. Let's just go ahead and pass an Enabling Act - we can even call it the "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and The Homeland." How about "Simple Healthcare Insurance Truce" AKA S.H.I.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) I must admit this is quite entertaining - seeing the left in full melt-down and turning on the incompetent affirmative action President they put in power. They don't have a clue. He doesn't have a clue, and the country is watching this like Hank and Marie looking in stunned disbelief at Walt's taped "confession". Yeah, but Bush pronounced nuclear, nucluar. Well, Lyndon Johnson called black people !@#$s. Bush was mocked for his accent and pronouncement of words, but at least he knew what he was saying. Obama is !@#$ing clueless. Bush wasn't the brightest but the media never cut him a break. If obama and bush were both judged with the same vigor obama would have been exposed for the fraud that he is back in 2007. So you mean this is the result of electing a community organizing, junior senator, that has no real experience other than voting present and thinking we have 57 states?? Shocking. Forward! Edited November 15, 2013 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Face it, Obama would be a janitor in Maui if he were white. His intellect is on a par with one. He's Peter Pan - a boy that never grew up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Obama’s sorry story http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/obama-story-article-1.1517751 Backpedaling Bam is fumbling and bumbling On Thursday, President Obama conducted the “Springtime for Hitler” of press conferences. He came out at noon and proceeded to blather his way through an hour of self-justifications and evasions and apologies and complaints. And as he went on, you could almost see America reacting as the audience in “The Producers” did to the happy-talk number about Adolf romping at his retreat in Berchtesgaden — with gaped-mouth astonishment. First, he said he had not been “informed directly that the Web site would not be working.” What on earth does that mean? Was he somehow informed indirectly? In an affronted tone, the president said he wouldn’t have been so stupid as to have promised a great Web site if he’d known it was lousy. Which makes you wonder: Did he ask? Oh, and how about that now-infamous lie The New York Times hilariously dubbed an “incorrect promise” the other day? Here the president squirmed: “With respect to the pledge I made that ‘If you like your plan, you can keep it,’ I think — you know, and I’ve said in interviews — that there is no doubt that the way I put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate.” So he wouldn’t say he lied, which is understandable. He did say — three times — that the ball was “fumbled,” and that he’s been doing some “Monday-morning quarterbacking” on himself. The only problem is that if he gets benched, Joe Biden has to come in from the sidelines, and nobody wants that. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 "Making complex problems seem simple." Christ, you're an idiot. what about the word "more" do you fail to understand, idiot? Well, I'm glad you admit the ACA is a disaster. It does bother me that you find "nucular" such a crushing indictment of a President. Do you find "corpse man" equally distasteful? no, i admit the rollout is a disaster. it can be fixed. obama's statements on keeping your insurance are a political disaster. he should just suck it up, admit he was wrong and move on. the plan itself hasn't even fully started so how could anyone label it a success or failure? i believe it will improve access for 10's of millions of americans and maintain access for nearly everyone else. we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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