Drewgetz Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Adam SchefterVerified account@AdamSchefter Cowboys free-agent CB Mike Jenkins visited Jaguars. But before signing, he is scheduled to visit the Raiders and Bills. Opinions anyone? Edited March 31, 2013 by Drewgetz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkhmlf Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 he didnt play all that well in Dallas. maybe if he comes cheap he can add some depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) My opinion is that they somehow picked the worst corner of the bunch in 2008 and it sure would be nice to have any of them in here for a reasonable price. I have made this post before but just think it over again folks: McKelvin, DRC, Aqib Talib, Mike Jenkins, Antoine Cason, Brandon Flowers, Tracy Porter were all selected in the top 40. Thanks for nothing Dick and Marv. Edited March 30, 2013 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 My opinion is that they somehow picked the worst corner of the bunch in 2008 and it sure would be nice to have any of them in here for a reasonable price. I have made this post before but just think it over again folks: McKelvin, DRC, Aqib Talib, Mike Jenkins, Antoine Cason, Brandon Flowers, Tracy Porter were all selected in the top 40. Thanks for nothing Dick and Marv. We're assuming Pettine is going to make McKelvin the next Revis, I guess you missed the memo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) We're assuming Pettine is going to make McKelvin the next Revis, I guess you missed the memo. Whoa, whoa, whoa...get it straight. Gilmore is the new Revis. McKelvin is the new Cromartie. Aaron Williams is the new...uhm...uhh...Fireman Ed? As for Jenkins, I'm fine with bringing him in for competition. Have him, Williams and McKelvin duke it out in training camp and set our CB order. You can never have too many CBs, especially since it seems Ron Brooks has been moved to Safety. Edited March 30, 2013 by BillsGuyInBallstonSpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) My opinion is that they somehow picked the worst corner of the bunch in 2008 and it sure would be nice to have any of them in here for a reasonable price. I have made this post before but just think it over again folks: McKelvin, DRC, Aqib Talib, Mike Jenkins, Antoine Cason, Brandon Flowers, Tracy Porter were all selected in the top 40. Thanks for nothing Dick and Marv. Mckelvin - bills DRC traded Talib - off field disaster, traded Jenkins - free agent, injury and work issues Flowers - left kc for nothing (edit- my mistake flowers is there, Carr left.) Porter- demoted to 3rd corner before leaving saints, health issues Cason - left SD via FA; inconsistent at best Oddly we were the ONLY that kept their guy. Edited March 30, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mckelvin - bills DRC traded Talib - off field disaster, traded Jenkins - free agent, injury and work issues Flowers - left kc for nothing Porter- demoted to 3rd corner before leaving saints, health issues Cason - left SD via FA; inconsistent at best Oddly we were the ONLY that kept their guy. lol thank you ser. don't you love how the guys on this board try and bash our players by hyping up everyone elses garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mckelvin - bills DRC traded Talib - off field disaster, traded Jenkins - free agent, injury and work issues Flowers - left kc for nothing Porter- demoted to 3rd corner before leaving saints, health issues Cason - left SD via FA; inconsistent at best Oddly we were the ONLY that kept their guy. Yet you could argue they are all better CBs than Leodis. Even Terrell Thomas who went with the last pick in the 2nd can be lumped in there. He's a great returner. Lousy CB though. Any of those guys would have been a better pick....because you don't pick a return specialist in the top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Those guys all stink. McKelvin has poor ball skills but he can cover. Oh, and btw, good corner play goes hand in hand with a good pass rush. How has ours been in McKelvin's time here? The answer is atrocious. Let's not blame ONE guy for things that an entire defense/coaching staff is responsible for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 McKelvin is above-average. I would like to add Jenkins to the DB mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 All I know about Jenkins is he fell out of favor in Dallas but they ended up keeping him. He is very talented and if we don't expect him to be an all pro, this could save us a draft pick come April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 lol thank you ser. don't you love how the guys on this board try and bash our players by hyping up everyone elses garbage? Whatever pal. I remember the 2008 draft class very well. I was taking a semester off while transferring colleges at the time and spent a lot of time studying the prospects. Jenkins and I believe Cason as well were all described as custom fit for the Cover 2/zone cover D the Bills were playing at the time. They got drafted to teams who play the 3-4 with a SS who plays in the box. That's not a Cover 2 scheme. (Jenkins and Cason) Flowers on the other hand was supposedly strong in man to man. DRC and McKelvin were considered excellent athletes but a little raw because of their level of competition. Flowers is easily the best CB out of all of them. And he hasn't left KC. That was Brandon Carr. Also a 2008 pick of the Chiefs. Those guys all stink. McKelvin has poor ball skills but he can cover. Oh, and btw, good corner play goes hand in hand with a good pass rush. How has ours been in McKelvin's time here? The answer is atrocious. Let's not blame ONE guy for things that an entire defense/coaching staff is responsible for. If you think Brandon Flowers stinks but Mckelvin is good I urge you to reconsider what you think you know about football. Mckelvin can cover but has bad ball skills? So you think good coverage is sticking with your man 40 or 50 yards down field but letting the ball drop in right over your helmet? HAVE MERCY. If a DB lets that happen he may as well just get burned off the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) Whatever pal. I remember the 2008 draft class very well. I was taking a semester off while transferring colleges at the time and spent a lot of time studying the prospects. Jenkins and I believe Cason as well were all described as custom fit for the Cover 2/zone cover D the Bills were playing at the time. They got drafted to teams who play the 3-4 with a SS who plays in the box. That's not a Cover 2 scheme. (Jenkins and Cason) Flowers on the other hand was supposedly strong in man to man. DRC and McKelvin were considered excellent athletes but a little raw because of their level of competition. Flowers is easily the best CB out of all of them. And he hasn't left KC. That was Brandon Carr. Also a 2008 pick of the Chiefs. If you think Brandon Flowers stinks but Mckelvin is good I urge you to reconsider what you think you know about football. Mckelvin can cover but has bad ball skills? So you think good coverage is sticking with your man 40 or 50 yards down field but letting the ball drop in right over your helmet? HAVE MERCY. If a DB lets that happen he may as well just get burned off the line. I did swap flowers and carr - definitely my mistake there - ill correct. Wasnt saying mckelvin was a better player but long term, were one of few that'll see continued returns on that pick. Some were major headaches and most are gone. I think ability wise you'd be hardpressed to put most of those guys as clearly superior as almost all have taken lumps on (and some off) the field. Edited March 30, 2013 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Whatever pal. I remember the 2008 draft class very well. I was taking a semester off while transferring colleges at the time and spent a lot of time studying the prospects. Jenkins and I believe Cason as well were all described as custom fit for the Cover 2/zone cover D the Bills were playing at the time. They got drafted to teams who play the 3-4 with a SS who plays in the box. That's not a Cover 2 scheme. (Jenkins and Cason) Flowers on the other hand was supposedly strong in man to man. DRC and McKelvin were considered excellent athletes but a little raw because of their level of competition. Flowers is easily the best CB out of all of them. And he hasn't left KC. That was Brandon Carr. Also a 2008 pick of the Chiefs. If you think Brandon Flowers stinks but Mckelvin is good I urge you to reconsider what you think you know about football. Mckelvin can cover but has bad ball skills? So you think good coverage is sticking with your man 40 or 50 yards down field but letting the ball drop in right over your helmet? HAVE MERCY. If a DB lets that happen he may as well just get burned off the line. Yes, coverage and ball skills are totally different things. You might want to reconsider what YOU think you know about football. And "stinks" was a bit strong, sure. All of the guys you listed are going to have jobs but none of them are anywhere near elite. You want to cut McKelvin? Go ahead. We'll start Justin Rogers and Aaron Williams. Or burn another high round pick on a DB. Great plan. Or better yet, let McKevin walk, and we'll bring in Cason or Jenkins-lateral moves that don't make us any better. oh, and just an fyi. if you're 'sticking with the guy 40-50 yards downfield"...um, you're covering him. which is exactly what i said he can do. the ball skills leave much to be desired. bottom line is we don't have a better option on this team and there isn't one on the market. don't get how a team with this many issues has fans who continue to cry about bringing back a 20 something year old CB who the new coaching staff feels has redeeming qualities. but then again you were transferring colleges at the time and know more than marrone and pettine. surreeeee bud. i'll have whatever you're having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yes, coverage and ball skills are totally different things. You might want to reconsider what YOU think you know about football. And "stinks" was a bit strong, sure. All of the guys you listed are going to have jobs but none of them are anywhere near elite. You want to cut McKelvin? Go ahead. We'll start Justin Rogers and Aaron Williams. Or burn another high round pick on a DB. Great plan. Or better yet, let McKevin walk, and we'll bring in Cason or Jenkins-lateral moves that don't make us any better. oh, and just an fyi. if you're 'sticking with the guy 40-50 yards downfield"...um, you're covering him. which is exactly what i said he can do. the ball skills leave much to be desired. bottom line is we don't have a better option on this team and there isn't one on the market. don't get how a team with this many issues has fans who continue to cry about bringing back a 20 something year old CB who the new coaching staff feels has redeeming qualities. but then again you were transferring colleges at the time and know more than marrone and pettine. surreeeee bud. i'll have whatever you're having. You're doing a pretty poor job "covering" if the QB can consistently drop the ball over your head. Like I said he may as well get burned right off the line because as a DB his job isnt to "run with his man" his job is to not let the WR catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Mckelvin - bills DRC traded Talib - off field disaster, traded Jenkins - free agent, injury and work issues Flowers - left kc for nothing (edit- my mistake flowers is there, Carr left.) Porter- demoted to 3rd corner before leaving saints, health issues Cason - left SD via FA; inconsistent at best Oddly we were the ONLY that kept their guy. That is merely argument for the sake of argument. McKelvin is far and away the least productive CB and biggest disappointment of the bunch. He was the consensus top rated CB in that draft and it wasn't like it was a considered a bad draft class of CB's. McKelvin was supposed to be an All-Pro type, can't miss talent. He hasn't even been able to hold a starting job for a team that has not had good cornerbacks. I don't really care about his special teams value....if your 1st round CB is returning kicks 5-6 years into his career...in this era......it means he isn't very valuable on defense. The best defensive football he has played for the Bills was in the latter part of his rookie season and that latter of last season. The argument for McKelvin is that his best football could be in front of him. The extraordinary physical skills that made him the top CB in that draft are still there. I am glad they kept him for that reason......but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he ends up back on the bench. It's between the ears with Leodis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bunk Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 You're doing a pretty poor job "covering" if the QB can consistently drop the ball over your head. Like I said he may as well get burned right off the line because as a DB his job isnt to "run with his man" his job is to not let the WR catch the ball. If that's the case then we should cut every DB we have. You aren't thinking friend. You don't let guys walk if you don't have suitable replacements. Do we? I'll answer for you(thank me later), no. We don't. And like i said, the coaching staff thinks he's going to work out, they expect him to start. He's still young and he's had his moments, good and bad. Unless you want to burn another high pick on a CB bringing him back was logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 (edited) A little weary now that I see he has never worked the return teams (kickoff, punt), which in Dallas is surprising. Edited March 30, 2013 by jboyst62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Yet you could argue they are all better CBs than Leodis. Even Terrell Thomas who went with the last pick in the 2nd can be lumped in there. He's a great returner. Lousy CB though. Any of those guys would have been a better pick....because you don't pick a return specialist in the top 10 one could also argue that Lovin would have been one of the first CB's signed if left to FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 At least signing him would mean not drafting a CB, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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