Drifter Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 No mention of Lou Holtz? Shody work by the writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SactoBillFan Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 See Wanny is on the list too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 See Wanny is on the list too. It's actually a pretty good list, albeit weighted toward more recent years. I can't think of too many glaring omissions, other than Mularkey, but I'm sure there are others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Â It's actually a pretty good list, albeit weighted toward more recent years. I can't think of too many glaring omissions, other than Mularkey, but I'm sure there are others. Mularkey last bills coach with winning season Edited January 14, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 I'd say Chuck Bullough and Kay Stephenson were pretty bad, not to mention John Rauch. Without Rauch, OJ probably would have had another 2000 yards in his career before killing those two people. Â +1 Â OJ was a once-in-a-lifetime athlete. He might have been remembered as the greatest RB ever except for the ineptitude of Rauch and Harvey Johnson who misused him his first few years in the league. Oh, and those killings didn't help OJ's rep either. It always bugs me when I see some "Greatest RBs of All Time" list and OJ is something like #8. But I get it. Jim Brown deserves to be #1 he had more great years than OJ thanks in part to bad Bills coaching at the beginning of OJ's career. But I don't know that any player was as dominant as OJ was in his prime. The year OJ had 2,000 (with Lou Saban as coach), only four players had over 1,000 and none were over 1,200 as I recall. Adrian Peterson doesn't compare to OJ. Â But to get back on topic, the Bills have had several coaches worse than Chan: Rauch, Johnson, Bullough, Ringo, Stephenson. I would consider Greg Williams and Mike Mularkey almost as bad. I would, however, rate DJ better. DJ had arguably less talent than Chan and finished with a higher win percentage. We;ve been cursed with some truly horrible coaches. But Chan doesn't deserve to be on the worst 50 list. On our team, we can offer up Jim Ringo at 3-23 and Harvey Johnson at 2-23-1 amongst others for consideration long before Gailey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Mularkey last bills coach with winning season He was a terrible coach, nonetheless. By the time he "quit", he had completely lost the team. And he posted a 2-14 this year for Jacksonville. He's fully qualified to be on this list. Edited January 14, 2013 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 or Wayne Fontes? Â PTR Â Fontes went 66-67 in the regular season. Even factoring in Barry Sanders, I still think that record is counted as a successful one in Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 It appears the list includes coaches with at least 50 games in their NFL resume, which would explain why several have been left off that many of us would deem "worthy". Â Having said that, I think a HC that coached less than a full season could still be considered the "worst coach" in NFL history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 (edited) Of course, it partly depends on what your definition of "the worst" is. One of the threads on OTW a while back asked for the worst movie of all time. My answer was the first of the three Star Wars prequels (Episode I). Not because it had the worst acting of all time, or the worst plot of all time, or had the worst box office performance of all time -- but because it had so much to work with (money, actors, marketing, special effects, creative license) and ended up being just so colossally disappointing overall. It may have been a success at the box office, but it sucked horribly. Not as bad as some really terrible flicks, but it was the massive difference between potential and realization that made it the worst. Â So there are some truly horrible coaches that didn't have a lot to work with and accomplished nothing (Hank Bullough), and then there are those who had considerable talent to work with and severely underperformed (Chan). Who was worse? I'm tempted to say Chan...although Hank was truly a trainwreck of a coach. Edited January 14, 2013 by Rubes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Dick Jauron maybe the worst coach ever to have had two non-intern head coaching jobs in NFL history. His tenure with the Bears was a bunch of **** with one winning season which was marked by a bunch of fluke wins and a 0-1 playoff performance. He then went to Buffalo were he pulled 3 straight 7-9 seasons and a 3-6 start before getting his ass booted. Â Gailey at least had his only 2 seasons in Dallas be winning seasons, I can't think of any head coaches that had two stints that were worse than Jauron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 How about Harvey Johnson as one of the worst Bills coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 How did Mike Mularkey avoid making this ignominious list? Meathead always gets the short shrift in these discussions. He's deserving of this honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 It appears the list includes coaches with at least 50 games in their NFL resume, which would explain why several have been left off that many of us would deem "worthy". Â Having said that, I think a HC that coached less than a full season could still be considered the "worst coach" in NFL history. Â Well, not true...IRG to the 50 game qualifier. Tom Cable (17-27) and Hue Jackson (8-8) are both on the list. Gregg Williams (17-31) also falls a little short. Â Cable only made it to 44 games with the Raiders, and Jackson only a season. Funny thing is, IMO, Cable was the first Raiders coach in some time to start turning that pathetic ship around...but his off the field stuff got him fired...he was a pretty good coach...and Hue Jackson actually did pretty well too... partiucularly in the case of Cable, they might be in much better shape now if they had stuck with him. I don't think this list is very credible. Â I will risk ridicule, but I also think Mike Mularkey was the best coach the Bills have had since Wade Phillips...not saying much I realize, but he was miles better than Dick Jauron, who replaced him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Well, not true...IRG to the 50 game qualifier. Tom Cable (17-27) and Hue Jackson (8-8) are both on the list. Gregg Williams (17-31) also falls a little short. Â I see-- I didn't make it all the way through the slideshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hansen Forever Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'd say Chuck Bullough and Kay Stephenson were pretty bad, not to mention John Rauch. Without Rauch, OJ probably would have had another 2000 yards in his career before killing those two people. I was wondering about our 2-14 wonder coaches and why they didn't make the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Well whether you are talking all-time or recent history, the Bills have set the bar very high when debating all time worst coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Apparently the worst era of coaching was 2008-2012. Or else the author has only been paying attention recently. Â I love when people write about the ______________ in sports history and go aaaaaaaalllll the way back to the 80's. Do some research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 +1  OJ was a once-in-a-lifetime athlete. He might have been remembered as the greatest RB ever except for the ineptitude of Rauch and Harvey Johnson who misused him his first few years in the league. Oh, and those killings didn't help OJ's rep either. It always bugs me when I see some "Greatest RBs of All Time" list and OJ is something like #8. But I get it. Jim Brown deserves to be #1 he had more great years than OJ thanks in part to bad Bills coaching at the beginning of OJ's career. But I don't know that any player was as dominant as OJ was in his prime. The year OJ had 2,000 (with Lou Saban as coach), only four players had over 1,000 and none were over 1,200 as I recall. Adrian Peterson doesn't compare to OJ.  But to get back on topic, the Bills have had several coaches worse than Chan: Rauch, Johnson, Bullough, Ringo, Stephenson. I would consider Greg Williams and Mike Mularkey almost as bad. I would, however, rate DJ better. DJ had arguably less talent than Chan and finished with a higher win percentage. We;ve been cursed with some truly horrible coaches. But Chan doesn't deserve to be on the worst 50 list. On our team, we can offer up Jim Ringo at 3-23 and Harvey Johnson at 2-23-1 amongst others for consideration long before Gailey. DJ was a better HC then Chan in terms of winning. But both were on equal terms in hiring the wrong assistants. Both had two chances to hire quality assistants and both failed 2x. I don't think I've ever seen a DC as bad as Dave Wannstedt was the first 1/2 of this season or an OC as lame as Turk Schonert was calling the most horribly stupid plays at the wrong time. The players themselves revolted against Hank Bullough, Bruce Smith in the defensive huddle. "If anyone makes a tackle, I'll beat the **** outta them!  Smith had his reasons.... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119974/1/index.htm   The quotes,  We keep beating ourselves...but, we're getting better at it!  They took the sails out of our wind.  Bullough on Ralph Wilson...I'm not a yes guy, he knows that when I hired him  I have to teach these guys the work ethnic    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19851222&id=ew0iAAAAIBAJ&sjid=zKYFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4068,1081979 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchmurraydowntown Posted January 15, 2013 Author Share Posted January 15, 2013 These guys all share common bonds with Nix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis in NC Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 How are gailey and jauron not top 10? Hey, Skeletor was a consistent 7-9 for 3 seasons, not quite top 10 stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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