biggerdaddynj Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) Take care of Bryd and Levitre 1st... then work on keeping him, he's too dynamic to not try at least to keep him here Byrd and Levitre are much, much bigger priorities. I'm frankly not that worried about McKelvin. He was a flop. Remember, McKelvin was the 11th pick in the '08 draft--the 11th pick!!!! I'd rather see what Brooks can do. There are plenty of CBs available in FA--let's get one who knows Pettine's system so we have someone for our young CBs to turn to for help. As for return men, that's the one area we seem to have luck. I recall reading that TJ Graham (please don't get me started with that pick!)--set a school record for KRs at NC State and also returned punts. Let's get some production out of him!!! If not him, I'm sure we have someone else who can return kicks. Move on from Leodis, his return skills are not something this team can afford to overpay for. IMHO we have other priorities we need to spend $$$ on. Edited January 11, 2013 by biggerdaddynj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Leodis McKelvin intends to sign a cornerback contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'd love to keep him because I love his attitude. When he got benched, he never pouted and just worked his butt off and became our best STer since Tasker. He's going to leave and became a decent starting cb because it's all about confidence with him. And the same idiots who were bashing him while he was here will start bashing hte Bills for letting him go. Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Leodis McKelvin intends to sign a cornerback contract "I should be looked at as a No. 2 or at worst a No. 3," McKelvin said. "I still strongly believe that I can play in this league, that I can be a starter. I know I'm a starter. That sure makes it sound like he wants to go somewhere else. While it's all funny money to me, I'd hope they offer him $3-3.5 M / year and tell him he'll get an honest shot to compete for the CB position. If he's the best, he'll start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That sure makes it sound like he wants to go somewhere else. While it's all funny money to me, I'd hope they offer him $3-3.5 M / year and tell him he'll get an honest shot to compete for the CB position. If he's the best, he'll start. I agree with this. I think McKelvin played pretty good after his benching. And isn't a homerun threat on returns worth $3 million? What does Hester make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I would really like to keep him, but I suspect he will get better offers elsewhere, and be added to the infamous "one and done" list of high 1st round DB draft picks of the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 That sure makes it sound like he wants to go somewhere else. While it's all funny money to me, I'd hope they offer him $3-3.5 M / year and tell him he'll get an honest shot to compete for the CB position. If he's the best, he'll start. I'd top out at 4MM per but maybe give him more years and a mid-contract bonus that is good enough to reward good play, but not simply a trigger for him to be cut. That, and bid adieu to Terrence McGee unless both his body and Mike Pettine tell him he can play safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I would really like to keep him, but I suspect he will get better offers elsewhere, and be added to the infamous "one and done" list of high 1st round DB draft picks of the Bills. It's funny that 3 our our 1st round dbs started on playoff teams this year: Whitner, Clements, and Winfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's funny that 3 our our 1st round dbs started on playoff teams this year: Whitner, Clements, and Winfield. Bill in NYC's head explodes. Mine, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Bill in NYC's head explodes. Mine, too. Just wait until the Bills draft Dee Milliner with the #8 pick. Edited January 16, 2013 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Just wait until the Bills draft Dee Milner with the #8 pick. I'll send a big bag of dog poop to OBD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'd top out at 4MM per but maybe give him more years and a mid-contract bonus that is good enough to reward good play, but not simply a trigger for him to be cut. That, and bid adieu to Terrence McGee unless both his body and Mike Pettine tell him he can play safety. Yeah, I've finally come to terms with McGee's demise. He was one of our best CBs early in the year even though he never got up to full speed. I think he's my favorite Bill from the last 15-20 years, a natural playmaker when healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's funny that 3 our our 1st round dbs started on playoff teams this year: Whitner, Clements, and Winfield. Funny would not be the first adjective that comes to mind. Unless you are into dark humor, that is. Will McKelvin be the 4th? Just wait until the Bills draft Dee Milliner with the #8 pick. I would have to slit my wrists. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I understand that the new defensive system may place a higher importance on having good CBs but.....didn't we endeavour to replace McKelvin not only last draft with the #10 pick(Gilmore) but also in the previous one with the #34 pick(Williams)? Seems to me that the plan has been to assume that McKelvin was not going to improve to be the #1 CB by end of his contract and try and replace him prior to him leaving. Unless we are going to be after two first class CBs.....or we believe that Gilmore(& Williams) will not be able to perform as a desired #1 CB....I see no reason why we would be drafting Milliner(apart from that we regularly draft a CB in the 1st). I personally would have no problem with him being paid as a mid priced #2 CB(though I don't know what figure that would entail). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Keep him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Leodis hurt his back with about five games to go in the season. His last 4-5 returns, where he still averaged 11+ yards or so, were while he was already injured. Then he re-injured his groin, which was bothering him the whole second half of the season and why he was listed as probable on the injury reports. The back especially, drastically affected his returns. And yet he still managed to have the best year 18.7 of any NFL player since 1974 when the leader was18.8. And Spiller, Rogers, Byrd and other guys before and since Roscoe are proof there are not just plug 'n play returners. McLovin is a great returner. I can't believe people think he will be getting offers of 5-6 million a year but I suppose it's possible. I think like most players, he would be dumb not to test FA. The Bills have been blessed with a lot of good returners on KR and PR over his career. Some team may offer him the PR and KR duties plus a chance to start or play a lot at CB. Well?--which is it? You can't aregue both statements as true. Anyway, Leodis was a plug-n-play PR. And Spiller wouild probably be better than anyone. If McK is too banged up to return punts 5 games into the season (he returned less than 25 punts all year!), what is his value? If our defense was halfway to average, there would have been more work for him to do last season. Edited January 16, 2013 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) I'd love to re-sign him at a reasonable value. He is indeed one of the best PR in the league. I think he would also make a solid nickle/reserve back. This is a weird situation, in a rare time when a team is actually interested in re-signing a player that is essentially a bust (he was supposed to be a lockdown corner). I don't think there is any magical scheme that will mask his inability to locate the ball downfield, however I think he provides good value for the reasons listed above. Having said all that I don't think he will be back. I think some other team will throw some money at him and promise him a chance to compete for a starting job (even though I don't think he can be a reliable starter). Edited January 16, 2013 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Well?--which is it? You can't aregue both statements as true. Anyway, Leodis was a plug-n-play PR. And Spiller wouild probably be better than anyone. If McK is too banged up to return punts 5 games into the season (he returned less than 25 punts all year!), what is his value? If our defense was halfway to average, there would have been more work for him to do last season. Sure you can argue both statements are true, because they are. In five years with Leodis, the Bills had Terrence McGee, Roscoe and Brad Smith, that's a lot of great returners (some may argue Smith isn't but when you are second in the league, you're pretty great in my book, and he was good this year, keeping Leodis on the bench). AND in five years, the Bills have tried a bunch of other guys on PR and KR that have not been great, showing it is not a plug n play. Spiller MAY be great, but he hasn't at all shown it yet, and has been very pedestrian in both KR and PR most every time he has gotten the chance. And obviously, McLovin' wasn't too banged up to return punts earlier in the year, he was hurt and returned them anyway, just not as prolific (usually) as he did when he was healthy. Later, when he got his second injury (his back) and THIRD injury ( a worse groin injury), he wasn't able to be great, just very good, until he couldn't run at all and was IR'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think we need to keep him for his ST ability alone. But I am interested to find out if he will fare better with a more aggressive style of defense. He may do better in man coverage where his athletic ability is most important rather than a zone scheme where he needs to use his brain to make reads and such. Unless somebody gives him a huge payday, I think he will be back. Leodis never or rarely blows coverage. He just can't defend the ball well. He is always right on his receivers hip. He is the perfect example of a good pass rush helping him out. He'll be became our number two. If the qb has the time to place the ball where he wants throw towards Mckelvin all day. But if the qb needs to throw on the run or off a back foot Mckelvin has the coverage perfect, i catchable ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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