bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Disagree, new ownership is the only way. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I like Nix and the talent he's assembled. I now believe this is on Gailey. He's giving away winnable games with his absurd playcalling and time management decisions. This team should be no worse than 7-6 with competent coaching. Fire Gailey, hire David Shaw and we are a playoff team in 2013 (even with Fitz). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 New owner, but I'll settle for a coach who wasn't harvesting crops when we offered him the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 What difference would that make when essentially we have a lamb duck owner. Look what just happened in Cleveland, team is sold, new owner brings in his GM and Prez, Holmgrem is out. I think with new ownership Buddy could attract a much better coach. Add to that while RW has spend alot of money on players, (just not always wisely) it's always been a strong rumor he won't spend $$ on coaches. So again that's where the problem seems to be. The ways things have gone this year, I do start to question how much enjoyment RW is still getting from being the owner?? Has he even been to one game this year. All of the negative comments towards him has to hurt him. But maybe the tax issues almost are forcing him not to sell. It's the only way we can attract a competent coach in the offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Disagree, new ownership is the only way. Well..I used to think that was going to happen in our lifetime Bro... Now I'm not so sure...I'm getting freaking old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Buddys done a pretty good job with the team. The only problem i have with him is that he signed chan. Buddy hired Chan, George Edwards, Wanny. He drafted Troup, A Williams, Tj Graham, and a bunch of guys no longer on the team. He passed on on QB in what will turn out to be the deepest draft for QBs in decades. I could go on. This is not a very talented team--and it is poorly coached. All of that falls at the feet of Buddy Nix. Buddy is a hack. He is playing out the string at this point. His boss is more inept, so nothing can change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Buddy hired Chan, George Edwards, Wanny. He drafted Troup, A Williams, Tj Graham, and a bunch of guys no longer on the team. He passed on on QB in what will turn out to be the deepest draft for QBs in decades. I could go on. This is not a very talented team--and it is poorly coached. All of that falls at the feet of Buddy Nix. Buddy is a hack. He is playing out the string at this point. His boss is more inept, so nothing can change. Amen. This guy gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 "We're moving in the right direction." If you keep going in this direction, will you eventually see the baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) As everyone else has said, the overall talent is a lot better. Our defense is getting very close to being shutdown and on offense we have one of the best backs in the league as well as a better O-line than we've has in the last 10 years which IMO is one of the biggest improvements. You're joking, right? Did they "shut down he mighty Rams offense with a lead and 2 minutes to go? The defense is padding it's stats against crappy teams on it's slow creep into the top 25.. The LBs are still not good. The DBs have one solid safety, one rookie starter who is a penalty machine (the rest are backups on almost any other team). The O-line let the QB take a beating on every drop back. Edited December 10, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Our defense gave up 15 points. I don't care if they did it in the first two minutes or last, any team would be thrilled with that level of production. Our D is not losing these games. They are only giving up an average of 17 over the last 4. You are supposed to win in those situatons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I believe it was Bill Parcell that once said you are what your record says you are. We are a 6-10 team period. Whether its coaching or talent, whatever we are a 6 -10 team. We all felt a lump in our throats when Nix announced Gailey was the coach because we knew he was not a ready for prime time player. We went along because we are die hard Bills fans and we were hoping for the best. It's time to end this hillbilly hoe down and get some one that is smart and hungry to win as a GM and coach. With this regime we have different faces on the field giving us worse results than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA Bigdog Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Our defense is getting very close to being shutdown Tell me you don't really believe this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 If you keep going in this direction, will you eventually see the baby? Someone will have a baby, brother by another mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Well, if Buddy thinks he improved the talent on this team, why aint it showing up in the W/L column? Either Buddy is making Buddy look bad, Chan is making Buddy look bad, or the players are making Buddy look bad. I think all three are true. At the end of the day though, Ralph Wilson is at the top of a s#it organization. He purposely brings in clowns like Buddy & Chan to deflect where the real problem lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshawn's 20 bucks Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I have been saying it to all of my friends and colleagues for the past 3 or 4 years: this team won't be good until there is a new owner. You can't attract top flight people with an extremely old owner and no succession plan. These NFL coaches get, at best, two shots. Why, unless you are Chan or Jauron or another poorly regarded coach, would you take a chance on the Bills only to have the carpet yanked out from beneath you when new ownership comes in? I believe it was Bill Parcell that once said you are what your record says you are. We are a 6-10 team period. Whether its coaching or talent, whatever we are a 6 -10 team. We all felt a lump in our throats when Nix announced Gailey was the coach because we knew he was not a ready for prime time player. We went along because we are die hard Bills fans and we were hoping for the best. It's time to end this hillbilly hoe down and get some one that is smart and hungry to win as a GM and coach. With this regime we have different faces on the field giving us worse results than before. Who is coming here with no ownership succession in place, and extremely old owner, and one year left on the stadium lease? This team won't be good until competent ownership takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufcomments Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Spiller was the Correct pick in 2010. Give Buddy credit on that. Except they don't use him. Somehow. Spiller has turned out to be just what they wanted, a playmaker. The year they totally missed was 2011. They could have had JJ Watt in the first round and Andy Dalton or Kaepernick in the second round. How to the scouts miss on talent like this every year. I blame Buddy and Chan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Our defense gave up 15 points. I don't care if they did it in the first two minutes or last, any team would be thrilled with that level of production. Our D is not losing these games. They are only giving up an average of 17 over the last 4. You are supposed to win in those situatons They won 2 of those 4 games and today, if they didn't give up 8 of those 17 points in the final 2 minutes, the Bills would have won 3 of 4. How can you possibly say it doesn't matter if the D gives up the points (lead) in the last 2 minutes?? Edited December 10, 2012 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Seriously? If you go back 6 games, they've only given up 19.1 points per game. We are 2-6 in those games. If we can't score 20 points with an offensive minded coach and our rb tandem, there is a huge problem. If the offense did anything at all, the last drive wouldn't even matter. Defense is fine. They may not be perfect, but any head coach or rational fan would take that output. Good teams are at least 4-2 over that kind of span Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I have seen this movie plot before. Several fans refuse to believe that the front office is milking them for all they are worth. Minimal steps are taken each season: just enough to placate the majority of fans. After a few years, while the deluded think that the team is "almost there", they threaten revolt and demand a scapegoat. So the coaching and/or GM changes. Propoganda is rampant as the team is supposedly considering all sorts of highly qualified candidates, but in the end, the new leadership are rookies or castoffs available at a reduced price (just like their player acquisitions). The organization pumps up the fans with rhetoric that these replacements are diamonds in the rough and thousands buy it. The excitement builds as the season is about to start. But the season is a failure and the usual excuses are used to cover up the real reason: there is not enough talent on the field or the sidelines. Several fans refuse to believe that the front office is milking them for all they are worth. Minimal steps are taken....................................................... Think of the movie "Groundhog Day." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I have seen this movie plot before. Several fans refuse to believe that the front office is milking them for all they are worth. Minimal steps are taken each season: just enough to placate the majority of fans. After a few years, while the deluded think that the team is "almost there", they threaten revolt and demand a scapegoat. So the coaching and/or GM changes. Propoganda is rampant as the team is supposedly considering all sorts of highly qualified candidates, but in the end, the new leadership are rookies or castoffs available at a reduced price (just like their player acquisitions). The organization pumps up the fans with rhetoric that these replacements are diamonds in the rough and thousands buy it. The excitement builds as the season is about to start. But the season is a failure and the usual excuses are used to cover up the real reason: there is not enough talent on the field or the sidelines. Several fans refuse to believe that the front office is milking them for all they are worth. Minimal steps are taken....................................................... Think of the movie "Groundhog Day." Ahhh, but soon (3 weeks) the off season for the team begins. And, magically their winners again. Blind faith will run amok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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