Sisyphean Bills Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 What's he supposed to do, flick off the camera?! He is wearing a nice brooks brothers shirt. Not to many poorly behaved people do that--just an observation. Perhaps he's lazy and not a team player because the RAIDERS are a terrible organization and he wants out! I was going to say the rumors reminded me of Vince Young ... then I see the VY excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 What's he supposed to do, flick off the camera?! He is wearing a nice brooks brothers shirt. Not to many poorly behaved people do that--just an observation. Perhaps he's lazy and not a team player because the RAIDERS are a terrible organization and he wants out! Or perhaps he's lazy and just not a team player. And no he's not supposed to flick off the camera but to look happy and excited when you're being arrested is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 (edited) Do you mean swapping Shep out for Scott in the Nickel? If so, I agree. Scott has been largely disappointing in his Nickel LB role this year. And Barnett as the other LB isn't helping anything. The New England drive where they ran/passed 8 consecutive plays right at Barnett was just absolutely embarrassing. In the hypothetical situation where we do draft Manti Teo, what do you think about making him an OLB? generally having a MLB that isnt good vs both the run and pass. it makes our defense one dimensional and easy to exploit. barnetts on that list too. i think if we make one big upgrade it may make the others look better but right now it seems like no one trusts the guy next to them in the LB group. that leads to all kinds of havoc. if your weak link is barnett, hes a pretty good player. if your strength is barnett hes woefully underwhelming. Te'o has me a bit worried - as others have mentioned, speed is going to be the question. if he can go sideline to sideline - awesome. We need to find our QB and MLB for this team. just about every good unit has somebody in those spots. we have fitz, and two guys that have to share the position i still wish this team wouldve put a push in for curtis lofton last year in FA (instead of the meechem or anderson pushes). Edited November 29, 2012 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 sorry, but dareus has to show up in shape next year before i call him a hard working overachiever that can light fires. he could be, but he hasnt earned that title yet. whoa, dareus showed up out of shape? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 whoa, dareus showed up out of shape? Did I miss something? i think hes just referring to how fat and slow Dareus looks this year and how he has been largely a non factor on the football field...which, if your missing, you must be blind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I was going to say the rumors reminded me of Vince Young ... then I see the VY excuse. Did Vince Young play for the Raiders? No. So your comparison between VY and McClain is invalid. Or perhaps he's lazy and just not a team player. And no he's not supposed to flick off the camera but to look happy and excited when you're being arrested is dumb. I didn't get the "happy and excited" look out of his face. But perhaps everyone on here is a physic. Our D is so good that we don't need to take a risk on and ILB. We can play the "perhaps" and "he looks happy" getting arrested game all we want. If he is waived, we should bring him in here to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 i think hes just referring to how fat and slow Dareus looks this year and how he has been largely a non factor on the football field...which, if your missing, you must be blind Indeed. I am trusting my eyes on this one. No link needed, and I'm confident it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Reports (and his own Facebook posts) say that Rolando McClain will be released by the Raiders this week. He had a ton of talent and upside at one point (#8 pick in the draft) and heard that he did not fit well with Dennis Allen from a friend in Oakland but has a short history of underperforming and shooting guns during fights. He did have 99 tackles and 5 sacks last year and is only 23 years old. With the state of our linebackers, what do we think? I know people tend to react this way to every FA that becomes available, but no thanks. I'm sure people thought that way about Aaron Maybin after we released him, of course he is currently out of the NFL as far as I am aware... This is the assessment of him from the article on NFL.com "The No. 8 overall pick in the 2010 draft was a massive disappointment on the field -- one of the worst 4-3 middle linebackers in the league, according to NFL Films' Greg Cosell." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000103135/article/raiders-rolando-mcclain-to-be-suspended-for-conduct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Much like Seattle did to Aaron Curry, Oakland played McClain out of position as a rookie and he was never the same. McClain, coming out of college would have excelled in a 3-4 defense because wait for it....he played in a 3-4 defense at Alabama and was a superstar, his play worthy of that high draft status. I put this failure square on the shoulders of the Raiders. If they wanted an inside 4-3 backer, they should have drafted one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I know people tend to react this way to every FA that becomes available, but no thanks. I'm sure people thought that way about Aaron Maybin after we released him, of course he is currently out of the NFL as far as I am aware... This is the assessment of him from the article on NFL.com "The No. 8 overall pick in the 2010 draft was a massive disappointment on the field -- one of the worst 4-3 middle linebackers in the league, according to NFL Films' Greg Cosell." http://www.nfl.com/n...ded-for-conduct yet still better than Sheppard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 yet still better than Sheppard Are we sure about that? They have a worse defense than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) yet still better than Sheppard Saying we should replace Sheppard with Mcclain is kind of like saying we should replace Fitzpatrick with Mark Sanchez. I don't think replacing one bad player with another really helps this team. Actually Sheppard has been playing better as of late, I think he has more upside than McClain right now, and a better attitude. As far as "excelling" in Alabama, I've always been skeptical of players that look great in amazing systems, loaded with other good players. It really makes it tough to determine how good each individual player really is. Mcclain now plays in the NFL (well, he did looks like he will be suspended/benched for the remainder of the season), and all signs point to him being a colossal failure so far. Edited December 4, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 next to AW I think Sheppard was the biggest anchor dragging the defense down he makes London Fletcher and POZ look like superstars in comparison - he has about half the stats you'd expect from an average MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 (edited) next to AW I think Sheppard was the biggest anchor dragging the defense down he makes London Fletcher and POZ look like superstars in comparison - he has about half the stats you'd expect from an average MLB. I'm not a Sheppard fan my self I didn't think he earned the starting job, but in defense of his stats -he barely played early in the year. The Bills were using mostly nickle formations with Bryan Scott, that's why the were getting burned by the run so bad in the first half of the year. If you only play half the time, you will have half the stats... Edited December 4, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Did Vince Young play for the Raiders? No. So your comparison between VY and McClain is invalid. Riiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Pass guy seems like a headcase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Both Curry and McClain would be worth looking in to, at this point neither is considered a commodity so the price tag should be relatively low. Best case scenario is they turn out as well as Urbik hasn worst case is they suck for real and we give em the Morrison treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) Both Curry and McClain would be worth looking in to, at this point neither is considered a commodity so the price tag should be relatively low. Best case scenario is they turn out as well as Urbik hasn worst case is they suck for real and we give em the Morrison treatment. I don't think comparing him to Urbik is appropriate. Urbik was a 3rd rnd pick who was placed on the practice squad by PIT and didn't really get a chance to play. After being claimed and finally getting a chance to play, Urbik turned out to be decent. Mcclain was an early 1st round pick who has played for 3 years, and by all accounts has been the worst MLB in football. To top it off the guy has attitude problems. Also as another poster pointed out, he played in a 3-4 in college and has failed in the 4-3. I don't see how he fits into this defense. He's just another recognizable name... A more appropriate comparison would be to Aaron Maybin, another early 1st round LB who played poorly for 3 years (and is currently not in the NFL). Edited December 5, 2012 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Always yes to talent. Buffalo is not Oakland, I'd have to say western NY is a better environment. I'd take a look at curry, I thought he was the best player in that draft (I admit I was wrong). He has the size to play LOLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBill Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I don't think comparing him to Urbik is appropriate. Urbik was a 3rd rnd pick who was placed on the practice squad by PIT and didn't really get a chance to play. After being claimed and finally getting a chance to play, Urbik turned out to be decent. Mcclain was an early 1st round pick who has played for 3 years, and by all accounts has been the worst MLB in football. To top it off the guy has attitude problems. Also as another poster pointed out, he played in a 3-4 in college and has failed in the 4-3. I don't see how he fits into this defense. He's just another recognizable name... A more appropriate comparison would be to Aaron Maybin, another early 1st round LB who played poorly for 3 years (and is currently not in the NFL). Its more a comparison in the fact that we got something out of a guy that had been cast off. Also, the bigger point would be that its a talented player that could possibly be acquired for peanuts. So IF we claimed him and it worked out, it would be a very shrewd move. I know all about McClain, as a matter of fact, I was one if the people completely against drafting him so high when so many here were salivating all over his jock. However, getting unceremoniously benched/cut has a way of motivating a guy. The idea is to use that and tap into that potential, but if he turns out ti be a bum, it costs us nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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