CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 And I'm a black jewish chef born to poor white latinos. This I already knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 This I already knew. Oy, what a schmuck you fo shizzle cabron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Oh was that a gotcha moment for ya? Yes, because it's all about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) This has been fun. Let's address the absurdity of your question. Why would we even have to grant amnesty for someone born here. Newsflash, that person's a citizen. Edited August 14, 2012 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Oy, what a schmuck you fo shizzle cabron. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Let's address the absurdity of your question. Why would we even have to grant amnesty for someone born here. Newsflash, that person's citizen. Okay, then let's pretend they were 2 days old when they got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have a huge problem with the notion of birthright citizenship. Everyone should be exposed to a citizenship test the day the turn 18 if they would like to enjoy the benefits of our social system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I have a huge problem with the notion of birthright citizenship. Everyone should be exposed to a citizenship test the day the turn 18 if they would like to enjoy the benefits of our social system. And if they have a developmental disability? And if they don't but they say they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) And if they have a developmental disability? And if they don't but they say they do? Wards of the state who are entitled to minimal disability receipt, but not the right to vote. Edited August 14, 2012 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Okay, then let's pretend they were 2 days old when they got here. Born here citizen, not born here not citizen. Is that such a tough concept to understand? :lol: Oh and I was wearing a wife beater when I typed that (realized I forgot the poor white part of my heritage ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 OK, the HUGE hole in your argument is that youre saying my kid really isnt a victim of a system now rigged against her (and me, as her parent) becuase "she has the opportunity to go somewhere else." But why should she be forced to go somewhere else so an illegal immigrant can get the spot in her school of first choice? Thats been covered. But the bigger issue is this....financial. Why should illegal immigrants now be given a leg up financially over an American-born child....white, black or whatever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 OK, the HUGE hole in your argument is that youre saying my kid really isnt a victim of a system now rigged against her (and me, as her parent) becuase "she has the opportunity to go somewhere else." But why should she be forced to go somewhere else so an illegal immigrant can get the spot in her school of first choice? Thats been covered. But the bigger issue is this....financial. Why should illegal immigrants now be given a leg up financially over an American-born child....white, black or whatever? OOOOH, OOOOH, OOOOH Mr Kotter Because, then Latinos will vote for Obama!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 And if they have a developmental disability? Then they get to work for the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Why should illegal immigrants now be given a leg up financially over an American-born child....white, black or whatever? Because of "inherent injustice"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 OK, the HUGE hole in your argument is that youre saying my kid really isnt a victim of a system now rigged against her (and me, as her parent) becuase "she has the opportunity to go somewhere else." But why should she be forced to go somewhere else so an illegal immigrant can get the spot in her school of first choice? Thats been covered. But the bigger issue is this....financial. Why should illegal immigrants now be given a leg up financially over an American-born child....white, black or whatever? We're still talking about two different things -- which is undoubtedly my fault. What you're saying about illegals is a political policy argument I am not trying to counter, support, or even discuss. I recognize what you're saying, I know it's an issue (a serious one) -- it's also something I have very different views on than probably most people on this board. But I also know that my own views on immigration policies are not actionable, thus I don't even bother getting into it. What I'm saying, (and why I picked on your original quote about being a white, male Christain and thus being at the end of the dole line) is that the system has always been unfair. There will always be inequality of opportunity in this country (and world) because human beings by nature are judgemental. We live in a society that favors white, Christain males because our society was established by persecuted white, Christain males. This isn't a political statement. It's just how things are. And, as such, your daughter by nature of the way she looks, was born with a leg up financially on every other person of color in this country -- legal or illegal. Again, this isn't your fault or the GOP's. I'm not trying to pin this on any political party. This is just the reality we live in. No one gets to pick the uterus they're born from. It's blind luck. So if the system we're born into is inherently rigged in your favor, I don't see the virtue in complaining that another group is getting help evening the odds. It in no way threatens you or your daughter's access to opportunities. Instead, those sorts of complaints -- to me -- come off as ridiculous. It makes you look weak. It makes you look like the guy who wins the lottery then complains about the taxes. Does helping minorities level the playing field limit oportunities for other people? Absolutely. But those people, people like your daughter, have more oportunities to begin with. Is it fair? Nope. But then again, life has never been fair and never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 We're still talking about two different things -- which is undoubtedly my fault. What you're saying about illegals is a political policy argument I am not trying to counter, support, or even discuss. I recognize what you're saying, I know it's an issue (a serious one) -- it's also something I have very different views on than probably most people on this board. But I also know that my own views on immigration policies are not actionable, thus I don't even bother getting into it. What I'm saying, (and why I picked on your original quote about being a white, male Christain and thus being at the end of the dole line) is that the system has always been unfair. There will always be inequality of opportunity in this country (and world) because human beings by nature are judgemental. We live in a society that favors white, Christain males because our society was established by persecuted white, Christain males. This isn't a political statement. It's just how things are. And, as such, your daughter by nature of the way she looks, was born with a leg up financially on every other person of color in this country -- legal or illegal. Again, this isn't your fault or the GOP's. I'm not trying to pin this on any political party. This is just the reality we live in. No one gets to pick the uterus they're born from. It's blind luck. So if the system we're born into is inherently rigged in your favor, I don't see the virtue in complaining that another group is getting help evening the odds. It in no way threatens you or your daughter's access to opportunities. Instead, those sorts of complaints -- to me -- come off as ridiculous. It makes you look weak. It makes you look like the guy who wins the lottery then complains about the taxes. Does helping minorities level the playing field limit oportunities for other people? Absolutely. But those people, people like your daughter, have more oportunities to begin with. Is it fair? Nope. But then again, life has never been fair and never will be. I really need to know what advantage do I have as I white christian male have over a black jewish female? I'm dying to find out so I can take advantage of my preferred status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 (edited) I really need to know what advantage do I have as I white christian male have over a black jewish female? I'm dying to find out so I can take advantage of my preferred status. Are you implying there aren't any societal benefits of being a member of the majority? EDIT: Again, not talking politics. Talking real-life. Edited August 15, 2012 by tgreg99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Are you implying there aren't any societal benefits of being a member of the majority? EDIT: Again, not talking politics. Talking real-life. Yes I'm implying that. And not only that I'm asking for you to list what those benefits might actually be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Yes I'm implying that. And not only that I'm asking for you to list what those benefits might actually be. As a white male you're given the benefit of the doubt. As a black female you're given the burden of extra scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 As a white male you're given the benefit of the doubt. As a black female you're given the burden of extra scrutiny. Again?Lame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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